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Old 08-07-2008, 09:13 AM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible

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You still miss the point he SAID and gave DEEPER meaning to the understanding of God's will. Yet Jesus never said anything about polygamy. In the NT you never fine abolishment of polygamy. Thus you are putting words in his mouth.

Also the reference to hating your enemies is not in the Torah but in rabbinical teaching.

Also your point on Jesus saying concerning Eye for an eye etc... Jesus point was that grace and mercy are the greater way. Thus he brought deeper understanding to the people. As Jesus said you neglect the weightier matters of the law. Justice mercy and faith.

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others

Yes, one could take eye for any eye but that was not the whole means by which one should look at the situation but through grace and mercy and love. Jesus himself gives retribution for evil deeds. Things should be done through the eyes of love and mercy and forgiveness as we would want to treat ourselves. The law of retribution still stands but the deeper meaning by how we conduct ourselves is made known through long lasting patience, and mercy. Otherwise retribution could never take place,as Christ himself could not judge as you make judgment impossible and Jesus in the end would contradict his own word. Jesus did not come to abolish but to make the law more revealed or full!

Thanks for your response, I'll withdraw from the conversation at this point, since I see we're on two different wavelengths.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:14 AM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible

So can we make it this simple?

Marriage was endorsed by God in the OT and not condemned by Jesus nor the Apostles in the NT?
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:18 AM
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Aquila, after much WORD study concerning Pauls instruction of ONE WIFE to the church leaders.. I am inclined to understand it as an adjective and deriving from FIRST
What school of theology did you attend? Captian Kangeroo's school of insanity? You are "inclined to understand???"

You are inclined to understand??

You did a Word study and after the word study you were inclined to understand? Please Dr. explain to me the Greek of that word study.

I await your thesis.

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... we have mention of the "wife of your youth" and as thus I see Paul protecting the church here against DIVORCE and REMAIRRAGE, not polygamy...
Whoa, that is a problem, you can marry fifty women like Uncle Rulon Jeffs, but you can never divorce them. First Century culture would have a major problem with what you are saying. Dr. Dim, do you know what was the majority in First Century Roman World? Were they nobles, or common people and slaves?

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if that is indeed the case then we have NOT ONE scripture in the NT even referencing an IDEAL MONOGOMOUS marriage in the church...
Yes Jesus and His ONE BRIDE and ADAM and his ONE BRIDE EVE.

I would'nt advise you even teach Romper Room, let alone a house of God.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:20 AM
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So can we make it this simple?

Marriage was endorsed by God in the OT and not condemned by Jesus nor the Apostles in the NT?
Marriage was endorsed by God between one man Adam, and his one wife Eve.

This shows Jesus and His Bride the PERFECT IDEAL UNION. A wife that Jesus the One True Living God will be with forever.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:22 AM
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Marriage was endorsed by God between one man Adam, and his one wife Eve.

This shows Jesus and His Bride the PERFECT IDEAL UNION. A wife that Jesus the One True Living God will be with forever.
You should dance at your church... not around the issue,., we will try again

WITH MULTIPLE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE that God was actually involved in the giving of many wives to men..... and his endorsement of such.... and with it being practiced by all the Holy Men...... and Jesus nor the Apostles never condemning it... where does that leave us?
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:23 AM
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Marriage was endorsed by God between one man Adam, and his one wife Eve.

This shows Jesus and His Bride the PERFECT IDEAL UNION. A wife that Jesus the One True Living God will be with forever.
You are speaking of pure conjecture.... you have NO IDEA how many wives ADAM had after the curse... of course he only had one in the beginning because there wasnt much else to choose from....

How many PEOPLE will be in the Bride of Christ? So you would say its a Bride of MANY MANY SEPERATE PERSONS?
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:29 AM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible

Jewish legends depict Adam has having multiple wives if I remember correctly.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:35 AM
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You should dance at your church... not around the issue,., we will try again

WITH MULTIPLE SCRIPTURES TO PROVE that God was actually involved in the giving of many wives to men..... and his endorsement of such.... and with it being practiced by all the Holy Men...... and Jesus nor the Apostles never condemning it... where does that leave us?
Multiple scriptures in the New Testament? You have multiple scriptures that teach your doctrine in the New Testament?

Jesus is only with ONE WIFE, and He does not take plural wives.

ONE GOD and ONE CHURCH.

The total thread of Truth that flows the the scripture blasts your teaching of nonsense.
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Jewish legends depict Adam has having multiple wives if I remember correctly.
That's why you should ditch the fairy tales boys, and teach Bible chapter and verse.

Jewish legends teach that Adam's first wife turned into a demon that sucks the life out of little children. All that is hocus pocus, butter beans and wild okra.

So do you two also teach that Kabblah is an important part to your Christian walk?
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:42 AM
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Multiple scriptures in the New Testament? You have multiple scriptures that teach your doctrine in the New Testament?

Jesus is only with ONE WIFE, and He does not take plural wives.

ONE GOD and ONE CHURCH.

The total thread of Truth that flows the the scripture blasts your teaching of nonsense.
Evangelist quite simply,., in all fairness we are just asking for you to support your doctrine that Polygamy is sin with ONE NT scripture that forbids it
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