Nothing Bush has done has come near FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society. It is my understanding that private industry is supposed to pay the taxpayers back with interest and the ownership of the banking industry will return to the private sector. Lee Iacocca paid the US Treasury back the money we pumped into Chrysler to save it and the taxpayers actually made a profit. The S & L bailout did essentially the same thing. There is no plan or design for the government to own these financial institutions permanently.
Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
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Great post TR. Of course you muddy the issue with FACTS in Obama's own words. Funny how MikeinAR and 1399 fail to even acknowledge let alone respond to FACTS that fly in the face of this curious amazement at this "sudden rage" about charges of socialism/marxism. Obama's socialist/marxist leanings are well documented and apparent.
One will find it hard to see what is obvious to everyone else when one's head is buried deep in the sand.
I already acknowledged that some of Sen. Obama's past associations (alleged and confirmed), along with some of his own words (in and out of context) help to fuel the flames of the "socialism" talk.
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1399 I see a trend in your posts. Much like the Obama campaign you repeat the talking points to dodge and weave and point the finger to divert the attention away from the truth. If the media wasn't so in the tank for BO and pro-Democrat, much of the misinformation out there about Iraq, the economy, the Obama campaign, Sarah Palin, etc would not exist.
Thanks for continuing to spread the false assertions and Bush bashing. Keep saying it enough times and people will eventually believe it. It has been effective for the NY Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, et al. It might be effective for you too.
Except for those of us who won't drink the Kool Aid without checking for the cyanide first.
DB,
Do you care to expound on the MISINFORMATION that is being circulated Iraq, the economy, Obama, Palin and etc?
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McCain keeps attacking Obama as a "socialist" and a "Redistributionist in Chief," David Gergen claims that it was Ronald Reagan who actually starting "spreading the wealth."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt40s7IKPwE
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McCain keeps attacking Obama as a "socialist" and a "Redistributionist in Chief," David Gergen claims that it was Ronald Reagan who actually starting "spreading the wealth."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt40s7IKPwE
Oh yes, David Gurgle, the former Clinton Administration employee, is really credible and objective here.
RR did no such thing. He cu taxes across the board as well as spending and the economy grew in an unparalleled manner and created 20 million jobs. Everyone did better during the Reagan years and its effect carried over into the 90s paving the way for the internet boom.
Spreading the wealth means to tax the rich (and middle class too--socialists always just say "rich" but they really mean most taxpayers) at higher rates and then give it to people who are not working, who are dependent on gov't assistance, and aren't contributing to the general welfare. Reagan never did that. Obama will.
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When Bill Clinton raised the $250K and above crowds tax level up to 39%, I don't remember all of this boogie man socialism stuff. When GWB took office, he then lowered the $250K and above tax level back to 36%, it's pre-Clinton level.
Now Obama is proposing that rate be moved back up to the Clinton level of 39%, and now the uggie boogie socialists are forcing wealth redistribution on all of us. Why wasn't any of this brought up 16 years ago if the threats so real?
Mike we have discussed this here before but lets consider. Repbublicans have talked about fair tax and flat tax but reality is that the progressive tax system has never really stood any real challenge from conservatives.
We recognize the need to run the government and that there is a proper role for government and that it needs to be paid for.
We also recognize that to some degree those who are least hurt by greater support are obligated to provide that in the form of taxes.
that has never been the issue.
What becomes such an issue for conservatives is the idea of what the proper role of government is.
We have certainly lived with onerous socialist government in the past. That was what Ronald Reagan and the conservative revolution was all about.
Barak Obama isnt really new, he is a return to the 1960's and 1970's. The hand wringing on the part of conservatives is all about the fact that we recognize how terrible that period was for this country!
Having a progressive tax system isnt a problem. Using tax policy to achieve "social justace" is.
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Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
The Great Soociety was called "the war on poverty". Its goal was to eliminate poverty n the US. Many of the current entitlement programs that made people codependent on government social programs started here, the most famous of which was Welfare. 7 trillion dollars later poverty is still with us and Welfare had to be altered because it was a failed program. It was a redistribution of wealth effort that has ended up doing what all socialist programs do: fail.
I do call it socialism and so do its believers. They aren't ashamed of the label, why should you?
As far as the failure of Republicans from 2001-2006 to curb sending while cutting taxes has been criticized by many conservatives including myself. I wrote a letter to the RNC in 2006 repremanding them for their failure in this regard. We found out that "compassionate conservatism" was a misnomer. It was just liberal Republicanism in disguise.
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Examining LBJ's Great Society, I read there was a lot of good that came out of this plan. Most of the stuff in his plan is just good policy for our Country.
I do not call this Socialism.
Furthermore, spending for this plan expanded EXPONENTIALLY under Republican leadership, that is established fact as well.
1399, do you realize that the word "projects" comes from LBJ's great society and his war on poverty?
Anybody who ever said they came from the "projects" didnt mean they had a fantastic education and wonderful childhood.
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Mike we have discussed this here before but lets consider. Repbublicans have talked about fair tax and flat tax but reality is that the progressive tax system has never really stood any real challenge from conservatives.
We recognize the need to run the government and that there is a proper role for government and that it needs to be paid for.
We also recognize that to some degree those who are least hurt by greater support are obligated to provide that in the form of taxes.
that has never been the issue.
What becomes such an issue for conservatives is the idea of what the proper role of government is.
We have certainly lived with onerous socialist government in the past. That was what Ronald Reagan and the conservative revolution was all about.
Barak Obama isnt really new, he is a return to the 1960's and 1970's. The hand wringing on the part of conservatives is all about the fact that we recognize how terrible that period was for this country!
Having a progressive tax system isnt a problem. Using tax policy to achieve "social justace" is.
Great post! I especially like the connecting of Obama to the 60s and 70s and how bad it was for us then. BO's primary influencers and mentors were folks who crafted their ideology as radicals or liberals in the 60s and 70s. From his mother to Wright, from Ayers to his Marxist college professors, BOs views were developed and solidified. His leadership will be an affirmation of those ideologies.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Great post! I especially like the connecting of Obama to the 60s and 70s and how bad it was for us then. BO's primary influencers and mentors were folks who crafted their ideology as radicals or liberals in the 60s and 70s. From his mother to Wright, from Ayers to his Marxist college professors, BOs views were developed and solidified. His leadership will be an affirmation of those ideologies.
and lets not forget that Barak Obama wrote in his siminal book Dreams of My Father, that he chose his associates with care....
those would be radical blacks, marxist professors and structural feminists.... those are his words. He is careful about picking people like Ayers, Wright and Khalidi.
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