Shame On You Christians..gays riot

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The article says they were praying in a "gay" district.



Why do Christians have to do that? Their prayers are just as effective at church or in a cell group setting. It's an "in your face" type deal just like picketing an abortion clinic.

I have never agreed with these methods and would never participate in such. They were asking for trouble with this group of people. As you have seen and already knew - they can become quite violent.

Hopefully, someday, we will learn there is power in prayer and we don't have to use "demonstration" to prove that God is on the throne.

That is my

Why do they have to do that? As if the only places Christians gather to pray in public is in "gay districts"? So we are going to be bullied by the gays and the left into assembling for prayer and outreach in only NON gay areas???? Does anyone NOT see a problem with that?

We should learn there is power in prayer and not use demonstration? Oh if only Paul had thought of that, he never would have been stoned, he never would have been jailed, he never would have spent a night in the deep. What major screwups the Apostles were for not cowing in their little dark caves and just praying rather than going out in public to be a witness.

I only wish I had a quarter of the boldness those guys had...reminder: According to them they were not preaching against being gay.

Let's call good evil and evil good. Might as well if we are going to fault these guys for doing what they did and essentially saying "Good! they deserved that"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Exactly! We are beginning to look militant and that is going to hurt all Christians everywhere.

lol....no no no. That was NOT militant. Militant was the violant response. Militant was the gays going into a church and disrupting it...we've been NON-Militant for decades and have allowed the devil too much ground

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by HappyTown

Just keeping the facts , facts. My father is a retired Judge! So I look at things from both side as I was taught to do!



I think it was stupid, they are lucky they were only called names told to go! On the tape if you listen real close toward the end you can hear one person saying F$## Fags!




On the tape they keep saying Mormons/ Christians!

I live ID, I know better then to enter into the skin heads parts of Hayden!

The gays were chanting that...that does not mean they were Mormons.

[1Corinth2v4]

I don't mind gay folks....I have one in the family tree.....he's still hanging there too!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sherri

According to the girl on the second video, they had been going there quite regularly and just doing praise & worship. Before that night, they had been somewhat successful, with people listening and singing along. They responded by telling the people that they loved them; that's why they were there. It wasn't any kind of a protest on the part of the Christians.

THANK YOU! I was about to post that

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do they have to do that? As if the only places Christians gather to pray in public is in "gay districts"? So we are going to be bullied by the gays and the left into assembling for prayer and outreach in only NON gay areas???? Does anyone NOT see a problem with that?

We should learn there is power in prayer and not use demonstration? Oh if only Paul had thought of that, he never would have been stoned, he never would have been jailed, he never would have spent a night in the deep. What major screwups the Apostles were for not cowing in their little dark caves and just praying rather than going out in public to be a witness.

I only wish I had a quarter of the boldness those guys had...reminder: According to them they were not preaching against being gay.

Let's call good evil and evil good. Might as well if we are going to fault these guys for doing what they did and essentially saying "Good! they deserved that"

Okay, Prax!!! LOL! I have been totally turned off by the anti-abortion rallies that Christians have engaged in. Holding up signs and lining the streets. I just don't like the method.

My sister and her husband participate in these type abortion demonstrations. I asked my BIL if they had thought about the people passing by. What help did you offer them other than reading your anti-abortion sign? How did that help anyone in trouble? It just makes them feel more lost. He didn't have an answer.

I guess I've seen so much failure in the Christian community doing things in the name of Christ, which never benefited the church at all. I mean think about it - we have churches on every street corner in this country and look at the condition of this country? Where in the world is the church? Somehow, it appears our methods have been more carnal, IMO.

The Christians in the video should have taken care after Prop 8 passed. It's just too "in your face" for me. I'm sure they meant well, but they were in a gay district after all.

I'm sure we will be experiencing more demonstrations in this country. We are sitting on a hotbed of so many issues. I would, as a Christian, want to take great care in how I represent the Gospel in this day and age. Whatever others want to engage in - let them, it's a free country. I don't have to agree or participate. That would also be my right.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol....no no no. That was NOT militant. Militant was the violant response. Militant was the gays going into a church and disrupting it...we've been NON-Militant for decades and have allowed the devil too much ground

I agree that the gays were militant in their actions, but we, as Christians, can come across in the same way irregardless of whether we are throwing things, disrupting things or not.

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

I have seen the effects of prayer when I didn't say a word to anyone other than God himself.

As way of example: We were taught not to touched the anointed of God - the preacher. lol! Well, I had a young preacher when I was a new convert that was just.........Lord! I fasted for three days. On the third day he pulled me aside and said that the Lord showed him his error and that he wanted to apologize.

I've seen prayer, alone, change the minds and actions of my children, myself and others. We were involved in a huge, horrible church split, years ago. The Lord laid a 15 day fast on me. I couldn't have eaten a bite if I wanted to. After the 15 days all the people that were causing us trouble left the church. I didn't have to say one word to anyone, didn't have to fight it out.

I am very adamant in believing that is the ONLY method that will work for us now. I will agree with Abigail that if God directs our steps into some form of action, I will obey that also.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do they have to do that? As if the only places Christians gather to pray in public is in "gay districts"? So we are going to be bullied by the gays and the left into assembling for prayer and outreach in only NON gay areas???? Does anyone NOT see a problem with that?

Prax, you're being deliberately obtuse for the sake of arguing the point. Do you really think they didn't deliberately choose that area BECAUSE of the gay presence? Because they felt that place probably needed prayer more than all the other places they could have gathered?

We should learn there is power in prayer and not use demonstration? Oh if only Paul had thought of that, he never would have been stoned, he never would have been jailed, he never would have spent a night in the deep. What major screwups the Apostles were for not cowing in their little dark caves and just praying rather than going out in public to be a witness.

There is a major difference between being a witness and getting in people's faces about abortion and homosexuality in a demonstration/protest type setting.

I have seen some abortion rallies that were far from peaceful--OR Christian. I would have been ashamed to be part of them. Not because they were Christians, or because they were standing up for what they believed, but because they were NOT acting like Christians.

I don't believe we should hide in dark caves or be afraid to pray in public. I doubt if anyone else on this thread believes that either. I DO think that many people today are trying to see great moves of God without being full of POWER first. Remember when the disciples tried to cast out a demon and they couldn't? What did Jesus tell them? Some things only come through fasting and prayer. BEFORE you get into the situation.

I only wish I had a quarter of the boldness those guys had...reminder: According to them they were not preaching against being gay.

Let's call good evil and evil good. Might as well if we are going to fault these guys for doing what they did and essentially saying "Good! they deserved that"

I'm not calling those Christians evil. From the video it doesn't look they were holding a protest. The homosexuals were clearly exhibiting evil, godless, disrespectful behaviors. I'm sure that type of behavior will increase exponentially, especially when unchecked by law enforcement. However, I'm just saying that Christians should NOT engage in political protests or civil matters and slap a spirituality label on it, then expect God to pour out His blessings on their efforts. It's just not quite the right methodology.

One of the things I can't stand is when a person uses the nobility argument to whitewash what they've done, and wipe out any objections. Example: "I know I didn't do my job today, but that's because I was reading my Bible for two hours, and I had to finish the book of Romans before I went back to work."

Either you'd better be led of God and prepared to be fired for obeying Him, or you'd better submit to your employer and quit using spiritual labels for stupid behavior.

I'm not calling this group one way or the other. There aren't enough details. I'm just saying that we SHOULD obey God rather than men, we SHOULD be witnesses, but when we are witnesses, it had better be in the spirit of Christ, of the miraculous and with a large measure of the fruits of the spirit, or it doesn't have anything to do with God.

I don't remember Christ rebuking sinners. He rebuked hypocrites. He offered salvation and healing to sinners.

Sinners need a physician. They don't need a group of pharisees dragging them before God like the woman caught in adultery, asking Him to dole out the appropriate judgment. Christians should be careful with that kind of behavior, because they'll find themselves walking away in shame.

[berkeley]

I'm glad apostolics weren't there praying.

I can hear it now....
"You fags are going to hell!"
"You need to be born again"
"Then the ex lesbians need to wear skirts"

etc etc

[TRFrance]

Whatever their intentions may have been... considering how tense the situation has been since the Prop 8 vote, it probably wasnt a good idea for a group of Christians to go into a predominantly gay district to "pray" as a group like that.

A move like that was just unnecessarily inflammatory, and probably just not a wise thing to do, considering the circumstances.