Snooping on a WPF church

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Romans 14:22

I take it your glaring at me. lol

Originally Posted by Theresa

no but I've rolled my eyes so much my head hurts LOL

[All4one]

Originally Posted by Romans 14:22

Well, I have been duly chastised. I should have kept my mouth shut. In hind sight I always end up thinking it would have been better to leave well enough alone. But I do confess my fault.

Mind you if this sister had been in some kind of sin I would not have said anything. It was done more out of anger/resentment from years of people betraying the trust of my Pastor. There is much more to this story than what was told including telling the Pastor that she wasn't going to so and so's church.

The church was started a block away from a UPC church that this Pastor use to Pastor. He did not communicate in anyway with any of the two UPCI Pastors in town and has actively recruited members from both churches. This sister told our Pastor that she was not going to attend the WPF church.

He could have started the church anywhere in town but started it a block away from our church. When my Pastor says he that this guy has no scruples he is correct.

I am very loyal and passionate about my church and I hate to see people shifting allegience to this other Pastor. I could tell many things about this man to prove my point but I have already spread enough gossip.

There are ethics in ministry whether you admit it or not. This Pastor was under disciplinary action with the UPC and although at one time he was a good Pastor there are many bad things that I could say that happened under his watch. This time I will leave well enough alone.

What church do you go to in what city? I want to be sure I dont go there cause I dont want to go to church with your stinking spirit.

[berkeley]

I would have told! Uh huh! It's one thing to stalk church people and be all up in their business. It's another thing to stumble upon someone doing something they shouldn't have. Yeah yeah, what business is it of the pastors'?? Ha, it is considerate to let him know what's going on. (speaking of which, guess I'm making a call tomorrow -unrelated to the thread)
And besides, wot if the piano player suddenly quit for the new gig! If the pastor has a heads up, he can consider a replacement.
Wot do I know? I'm a charismatic who can't get all of the ultra con out of him!

[StMark]

What was wrong with telling??

If there was nothing wrong with it then it should be no problem.
the pastor would have just said something like " O that's cool" or
something similar. Some pastors don't mind if musicians play for
other churches when they are not having service. Sometimes they
even do it for extra money. Other pastors feel this is disloyal or
have other churches that are "off limits".

No one likes a snitch, but that's for the pastor to recognize and
correct.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by StMark

What was wrong with telling??

If there was nothing wrong with it then it should be no problem.
the pastor would have just said something like " O that's cool" or
something similar. Some pastors don't mind if musicians play for
other churches when they are not having service. Sometimes they
even do it for extra money. Other pastors feel this is disloyal or
have other churches that are "off limits".

No one likes a snitch, but that's for the pastor to recognize and
correct.

You know this place. NOTHING in a persons life is the pastors business!!

[Pastor Keith]

What the Pastor with the wandering piano player should do is call the other pastor and tell him that he will be sending the piano player there in a spirit of Christlike love. Kinda overcoming evil by doing good. It will rid his church of someone who is not happy and at the same time bless the other guy with a future disgruntled saint, because all pastors know that eventually the person who finds fault with you will eventually find fault with someone else.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by keith4him

What the Pastor with the wandering piano player should do is call the other pastor and tell him that he will be sending the piano player there in a spirit of Christlike love. Kinda overcoming evil by doing good. It will rid his church of someone who is not happy and at the same time bless the other guy with a future disgruntled saint, because all pastors know that eventually the person who finds fault with you will eventually find fault with someone else.

AMEN!!!!! There a very, very few exceptions to that rule! We have seen that play out here, over and over again. From both directions. Those who come from another church (locally) because they are unhappy, and those who leave here to go to another church (locally) because they are unhappy. Most all eventually move on, again.

DISCLAIMER! I know that there are exceptions to every rule, and that some people have been in very bad situations. I am not talking about those situations.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

AMEN!!!!! There a very, very few exceptions to that rule! We have seen that play out here, over and over again. From both directions. Those who come from another church (locally) because they are unhappy, and those who leave here to go to another church (locally) because they are unhappy. Most all eventually move on, again.

DISCLAIMER! I know that there are exceptions to every rule, and that some people have been in very bad situations. I am not talking about those situations.

You are correct, Diz. I experienced this a number of times when I pastored.

However, it's not just church - I interview people who bad mouth their previous employer like you wouldn't believe! I guess they think that will impress me, or create some camaraderie, but quite the opposite! I generally file those resumes in the round file!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You are correct, Diz. I experienced this a number of times when I pastored.

However, it's not just church - I interview people who bad mouth their previous employer like you wouldn't believe! I guess they think that will impress me, or create some camaraderie, but quite the opposite! I generally file those resumes in the round file!

You are exactly right, it generally is a character defect or flaw that carries over to every area of life. Not necessarily a spiritual condition, except in the sense that our emotions and our character should be shaped and influenced by God.

Bottom line for me, and this was a very, very hard lesson for me personally to learn, I spent years trying to make someone happy: Unhappy people are just that, unhappy, and there is nothing that anyone outside of themselves (and God) can do to change that.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

You are exactly right, it generally is a character defect or flaw that carries over to every area of life. Not necessarily a spiritual condition, except in the sense that our emotions and our character should be shaped and influenced by God.

Bottom line for me, and this was a very, very hard lesson for me personally to learn, I spent years trying to make someone happy: Unhappy people are just that, unhappy, and there is nothing that anyone outside of themselves (and God) can do to change that.

Amen, and happiness is a choice. No one else makes me unhappy or happy but me.