One of the Biggest Mistakes

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.

See? You didn't focus on the end of the story? That's why I don't like posting experiences. LOL!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.

There is a question on the UPC license application that asks if the applicant has ever filed bankruptcy.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.

the apostle paul might frown on preachers taking money from the church to live on....

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.

Obviously not....... he got his license didn't he ?


or did you not see that part...

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by StMark

I hope I didn't contribute to those tears. If so, I'll back away from this thread. I think the reason why people came along with such strong opinions is, you made broad sweeping statements as if all UPC churches were just like the one you experienced. I do believe you though because I know others who have been through just what you described.

ILG, the bible says offenses are going to come. I read other forums too. If you was in the AoG or the Baptist church, the charismatic church, offenses would come if you belonged to one of them also. They fight, have church splits etc. it's just a different set of reasons. understand??

My parents pastored for 47 years. It would take too long to tell you all they went through. You cannot imagine! but coming thru poverty, the war, the depression, prepared them. they were tough as nails. I could have never done it.

I heard a study the other day that really stuck with me. It was a a bible lesson on hurts and forgiveness. I don't remember much of it but what stuck with me was 3 things:

!. Don't Rehearse it

2. Don't nurse it

3. Don't curse it

They went into detail on each of these and also pointed out that one of signs of the endtimes will be that many will be offended AND many will fall away ( as a result)

I preached on the subject matter in the past. The saying is

If you don't nurse it, rehearse it or curse it, God in time will reverse it.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Ferd

the apostle paul might frown on preachers taking money from the church to live on....

What?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by keith4him

I preached on the subject matter in the past. The saying is

If you don't nurse it, rehearse it or curse it, God in time will reverse it.

And there ya have it!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is where your heart is, ILG. What I am reading is that the whole organization let you down, when it was the people in your circle. I don't see you focusing on victory, but your pain. I guess I just don't get it. I hope that doesn't offend you. I seriously and honestly do not want to hurt or offend you. I think the whole conversation interests me in that in every way and on every occasion God has rescued me and I don't have to focus on what hurt me, but how God brought me out. I just don't see how what you are saying is actually helping anyone. It only causes me to see the pain.

What am I missing? I really want to understand, ILG. Is it a personality difference?

I know a pastor (UPCI) that went broke trying to keep his church floating financially. He turned in his license because he couldn't afford to pay the fee. When he wanted to get his license back, after he got on his feet financially, the district he was in was like - "No can do. You're credit is shot." LOL! WUT?!!

Another District saw how ridiculous that was and got him his license back. Now, God is blessing and he is being used of God to heal a broken and hurt church.

He said he was hurt, but knows that God is greater and he still loves many elements of the organization. You see? He didn't have to leave. He just allowed God to take his situation and turn it around for his good. Was it his faith or was it just the Will of God for his life?

To bad the only part of this post that got any attention was the credit story ....

Great post PO !!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

To bad the only part of this post that got any attention was the credit story ....

Great post PO !!

Thanks, Scotty!

[Pastor Keith]

This is for ILG,
Taken from a Message on Forgiveness and Holding Oughts against people. This was the conclusion about how we overcome offenses.

How to escape the trap of offence and unforgiveness?
1. Surrender past hurts to the Holy Spirit

2. Let your expectations (ought’s) rest in God alone, the source of many offences is unreasonable expectations. Are you looking to others to complete you or Jesus Christ? Jesus said that people will let us down (Luke 17:1) Circumstances will not go our way, John the Baptist (Luke 7:18) Sometimes God doesn’t answer prayer that way we want him to (Matt. 27:46)

3. Realize that God has allowed offences to change us.
Jeremiah 48:11 “Moab has been at ease from his[a] youth;
He has settled on his dregs,
And has not been emptied from vessel to vessel,
Nor has he gone into captivity.
Therefore his taste remained in him,
And his scent has not changed.

When someone offends you, don’t nurse it, don’t rehearse it, don’t curse it, don't disperse it, and God will in time reverse it!