Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? - Page 5

KWSS1976 · #41 01-07-2009, 03:06 PM

Ok I am just asking how come other religions do not teach this like most baptist. I know they read it they just cannot skip over it so what is there view on it and why would there view be wrong appanrently they do not see it as upc does. I am just asking because I am just wondering how something so important can be left out of most religions.. I just use the baptist because most I know do not practice speaking in tongues...

Jack Shephard · #42 01-07-2009, 03:06 PM

I think most W&S doctrine people can say it is a command, but IS it actually a command? I don't think so-I know you didn't ask me per se. In Acts Peter said Repent and be baptized and then you will receive the HG. The command was in the repentance and baptism, the HGB was a by product of them obeying that part of the sermon. That part of the sermon was a by product of their salvation (receiving Christ) and that was a by product of the Message--death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

EA · #43 01-07-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

As an added conversation piece, let me ask this...

MissBrattified, you and I believe that repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling are essential to the New Birth. Can we say that we are commanded to recieve the Holy Ghost?

Peter said "repent and be baptized" in response to a specific question, "what shall we do?"

"Repent and be baptized" seem to be things we do.

Is Holy Ghost infilling something we do?

Repent and be baptized = my responsibility.
and ye shall receive = God's responsibility

Am I wrong?

There seems to be two commands and a promise.

Are there other scriptures that command us to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost?

SDG · #44 01-07-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I believe the Holy Ghost is working in the lives of believers from the moment they repent, but NO, they are not baptized with the Holy Ghost until they are baptized, and I believe speaking in other tongues is evidence of that baptism.

IF people are filled with the Holy Ghost when they believe or repent, then why did the apostles pray for believers to be filled?

You believe they are baptized by God's Spirit into the Church or body of Christ only after a properly administered baptism?

This sounds like what the Paedobaptists believe ... if memory serves.

This, what you have said, does not seem to coincide with what happened to Cornelius and those in his home in Acts 10.

Tongues then baptized.

Jack Shephard · #45 01-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Peter said "repent and be baptized" in response to a specific question, "what shall we do?"

"Repent and be baptized" seem to be things we do.

Is Holy Ghost infilling something we do?

Repent and be baptized = my responsibility.
and ye shall receive = God's responsibility

Am I wrong?

There seems to be two commands and a promise.

Are there other scriptures that command us to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost?

MissBrattified · #46 01-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

As an added conversation piece, let me ask this...

MissBrattified, you and I believe that repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling are essential to the New Birth. Can we say that we are commanded to recieve the Holy Ghost?

I don't know. The Bible says its a promise, a gift. I'm surprised when people don't receive the Holy Ghost. The biblical examples don't seem to leave anyone out or anyone at the altar frustrated because they haven't received the Holy Ghost--it leads me to believe that:

1. People are seeking signs instead of God (tongues), which has corrupted the authenticity of the process, and,
2. We are lacking the power of the first church.

Although, I know that there are a couple of places where people "tarried" until the Holy Ghost fell upon them. We can wonder and suppose and conjecture, would God have allowed them to be lost if they had all died before the Holy Ghost fell? And does that mean the Holy Ghost isn't essential? I believe God is more faithful than that.

I don't have all the answers. My husband didn't receive the Holy Ghost until well after he had been baptized, at home, by himself. Would I go so far as to say he would have been lost between baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost? I don't know. I think God is a just God, and judges people appropriately, even outside His own lines. He'll have mercy upon whom He will have mercy, but in the meantime, we should be following His commandments and the examples of the apostles to the best of our ability.

I don't believe we should look in the Bible and find loopholes for those who haven't received the Holy Ghost or been baptized, but rather, try to find out how we are to reach OUT to those who haven't received the Holy Ghost or been baptized.

Jack Shephard · #47 01-07-2009, 03:11 PM

Anglin, we know by Acts 29 that it is a promise. It doesn't say it is a command.

Jack Shephard · #48 01-07-2009, 03:13 PM

Jesus did give commandments to his disciples, but the Bible says in Acts 1:2 that it was through the HG, but doesn't say it is commanded that they receive the HG or others should. Plus how can we "do" something to get something that is out of our hands? We do our part of repenting and baptism and God should stick to His word and pay up on the HGB, IMO.

EA · #49 01-07-2009, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Peter said "repent and be baptized" in response to a specific question, "what shall we do?"

"Repent and be baptized" seem to be things we do.

Is Holy Ghost infilling something we do?

Repent and be baptized = my responsibility.
and ye shall receive = God's responsibility

Am I wrong?

There seems to be two commands and a promise.

Are there other scriptures that command us to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost?

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Why does God promise the Holy Ghost to his followers? Would you one steppers please tell me what you believe the purpose of the Holy Ghost baptism is?

MissBrattified · #50 01-07-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You believe they are baptized by God's Spirit into the Church or body of Christ only after a properly administered baptism?

This sounds like what the Paedobaptists believe ... if memory serves.

This, what you have said, does not seem to coincide with what happened to Cornelius and those in his home in Acts 10.

Tongues then baptized.

Not at all. I already stated that scriptural examples indicate the order doesn't matter.

When I said "baptized" in my previous post, I was referring to Holy Ghost baptism, not water baptism.