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One God - revealed as Triune - three "persons"
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03-07-2009, 05:34 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I am not sure one has to choose. Is it inappropriate to quote the words of Christ from Matthew 28:19? Does "in the name of" not mean authority? |
As I just said, what Jesus said is interpreted by what preceeded it.
"All authority is given into me in heaven and earth, THEREFORE or BECAUSE of that fact, go out and make disciples of all nations (by) baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost"
IF the authority is in a name, because name means authority, what name is it? Jesus just said ALL authority is given to me. To see how the Apostles interpreted that look at the rest of the bible, did they ever repeat Jesus verbatim? Did Peter say "be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"? No.
All authority is in the name of Jesus. But he did not merely repeat what he said either. He said the authority was of "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"...
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03-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Your Oneness background helps you better understand the Trinity.
Wow.
That's all I can say right now.
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Don't jump to conclusions. I wasn't saying that being oneness prepared me to become trinitarian, far from the truth. But because I understand oneness terminology I think I can better understand what was originally meant by the church fathers who formulated the doctrine.
I confess that much of what is taught in churches today leans more toward tritheism than toward trinitarian. I think that is bacause there are many whose thinking on the godhead has never been challenged.
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03-07-2009, 05:40 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
To bad you weren't around when the AG kicked the "Jesus only" crew out!
You're very tactful.
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The early AG leaders were wrong to ostracize the oneness brethren. I'm not sure who was more at fault in that deal but even at the time that the split came many of the AG leaders were baptized in Jesus name.
I think the split was more over personalities and power struggles more than the doctrine - just like the many splits in the oneness movement over the years.
There are few places today where there is animosity in the AG against the doctrine of oneness and the batism. I have found acceptance among all of those I've been associated with over the years. We probably would have come to this place 50 years ago if it wasn't for personalities and power struggles.
Just an old man's opinion.
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03-07-2009, 05:41 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by Hope Preacher
Oh yes: I too agree that for far too many the trinity winds up being a convoluted attempt to explain the totality of who/what God is.
I am convinced that man, with his finite mind, cannot fully comprehend or explain the infinite God.
I believe that not only applies to trinitarians but to oneness folks also. None of us have a corner on understanding God.
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I think God has given us much to know Him by in His word. We may not be able to fully comprehend Him. His greatness is mind boggling. But we can know Him through His self revelation in his word and as the Holy Spirit teaches us.
Do you think the apostles who laid the foundation of our faith had a corner on understanding God?
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03-07-2009, 05:45 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Your Oneness background helps you better understand the Trinity.
Wow.
That's all I can say right now.
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Well, he did explain it a bit. I think HP's understanding of God precludes any formulations similar to what I have as an avatar right now.
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03-07-2009, 05:49 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
I think God has given us much to know Him by in His word. We may not be able to fully comprehend Him. His greatness is mind boggling. But we can know Him through His self revelation in his word and as the Holy Spirit teaches us.
Do you think the apostles who laid the foundation of our faith had a corner on understanding God?
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I believe the apostles had a "growing" understanding of who Jesus was/is. Sometimes when you read what they wrote it's as if they are writing about two entities: "It pleased God that in him, Christ, should dwell the fullness of the godhead bodily." Here you have "God" and "Christ" as two entities in the same sentence. I'm not sure that oneness preachers today would use the same terminology for fear of being misunderstood.
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03-07-2009, 05:49 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by pelathais
Well, he did explain it a bit. I think HP's understanding of God precludes any formulations similar to what I have as an avatar right now.
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I was wondering about your avatar, Pel. Who are those hairy men?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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03-07-2009, 05:49 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
As I just said, what Jesus said is interpreted by what preceeded it.
"All authority is given into me in heaven and earth, THEREFORE or BECAUSE of that fact, go out and make disciples of all nations (by) baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost"
IF the authority is in a name, because name means authority, what name is it? Jesus just said ALL authority is given to me. To see how the Apostles interpreted that look at the rest of the bible, did they ever repeat Jesus verbatim? Did Peter say "be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"? No.
All authority is in the name of Jesus. But he did not merely repeat what he said either. He said the authority was of "The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"...
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If one believes Jesus was the F,S, & HG equivilent (I do not) then how does quoting the words of Jesus from Matthew 28:19, followed by "interpreting" the same (saying, "in Jesus Name") become problematic?
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-07-2009, 05:53 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
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Originally Posted by Hope Preacher
I believe the apostles had a "growing" understanding of who Jesus was/is. Sometimes when you read what they wrote it's as if they are writing about two entities: "It pleased God that in him, Christ, should dwell the fullness of the godhead bodily." Here you have "God" and "Christ" as two entities in the same sentence. I'm not sure that oneness preachers today would use the same terminology for fear of being misunderstood.
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The apostles eventually grew out of Judaism. See Hebrews and the dying 1st Testament.
But I think they had a good handle on who Jesus was/is. They were given revelatory understanding. Luke 24:45
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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03-07-2009, 05:54 PM
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Re: I Understand the Trinitarian Doctrine to be:
Maybe because it messes with my traditional paradigm
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