Why are some x-UPCers so set on bashing the UPC???

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Darty

I promise I wont write such long post all the time.. there is so much I want to say an so little time to bore you

Not a problem - just break them up into more paragraphs - easier to read that way!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Darty

RG... and I had to cut it short.. oh if I had all the time to just let things roll out of my head that I know... It is amazing the things we have been through in our ministry for the LORD! lol Sometimes I really understand the song the kids signed the other day I am crucified with Christ and yet I live.

I don't seek to bash any org or belief but do really understand that we are all so far from where we should be. There are things I have been taught as truths all my life that as an adult I look at and say ...thats not right lol. Its crazy the things we hold as heaven or hell issues and how quickly we judge and send folks to hell over things that are not even issues at all. I love the truth I have and am so ashamed of the thought of the truth I thought I had and found out it was a bag full of holes. I pray I am an example of HIM and fear that great response set before me... to teach my children the truth and how to truly walk with Him and be like Him. The hardest part is once you see truth... how do you deal with the church and there conceptions of truth. I told my husband once it would be so much easier to live what I believe if we moved far away from family an friends... and how they think I should do, say and act. Church is suppose to be a place of freedom peace joy and love... and I just don't see it much anymore. I go because I'm suppose I live like I do because that is what I am suppose to do and I act like I do because I am just me
Although if we moved away and changed things in our lives I wouldn't change the way I look or act but there would be some changes....that would spin the heads of those who know me well
Just find it hard to call things sin that I use to call sin so easily and to label folks sinners that have more of God working in there lives then 95% of the folks sitting on the pew with me.

Sounds like you are listening to the heart of God, and not just men. Keep your heart pure and open before Him; He will guide you into all truth.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

• Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
• Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
• Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

1. They don't have anything better to do.

2. They don't have anything better to do.

3. They don't have anything better to do.

4. No, they don't.

Originally Posted by Malvaro

• Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
• Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
• Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

 I say it’s for the same reason why UPCer do these things as well~

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Malvaro
Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

Because it is family and family hurts are the worse.

Family Rejections are the worst.

Family issues still live on.

UPC will not say they are wrong or even sorry.

UPC will not even admit to anything wrong.

UPC dis-fellowships there own kind after they leave, especially ministry.

Maybe we are just trying to get through and save a few?



And being heard is never a waste of time.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Good grief.

You are probably saying that because of this quote right?

The problem? Well, maybe it could be that the disunity could be solved by the church actually admitting to themselves that there is something wrong with their culture but they would have to admit first they even HAVE a religious culture.

I know the power of God and the ministry of the Holy Ghost is tremendous and at work in the church, however, when you live in a big city and you have family who live in big cities, and you have friends in big cities all with several surrounding UPC churches you get a pretty good idea of what is keeping these churches from fellowship and unity.

When someone prohibits fellowship and even preaches against their brother's church in another part of the city because they are not up to par in terms of insignificant personal convictions and outward expression of worship, they are not both UNITED pentecostal churches.

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

You are probably saying that because of this quote right?



I know the power of God and the ministry of the Holy Ghost is tremendous and at work in the church, however, when you live in a big city and you have family who live in big cities, and you have friends in big cities all with several surrounding UPC churches you get a pretty good idea of what is keeping these churches from fellowship and unity.

When someone prohibits fellowship and even preaches against their brother's church in another part of the city because they are not up to par in terms of insignificant personal convictions and outward expression of worship, they are not both UNITED pentecostal churches.

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

Heavy stuff man........

We as a church would check out other churches if we were their for a Sectional rally.

I would Check out the holiness of the youth or was the music worldly...etc

Whatch'n out for make-up, trimmed hair.

Or look at the Pastors wifes ring....and then talk about how big that rock was....

I was UPC for 17 years... I know the drill.

Most of the time at Rallies and conferences it was a Fashion show.

I have noticed that Now, UPC women frequent the tanning bed.

Those white UPC women are dark!!:

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

• Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
• Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
• Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

I can tell you my point of view is only in reflection. To when the at any cost folks support the organization no matter the situation.

[SDG]

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

Sad but true.

Originally Posted by Malvaro

• Why are some folks so set on heckling/bashing the very organization they willingly chose to walk away from?
• Why aren't they content knowing they never have to set foot in the doors of a UPC church again?
• Why do they keep beating the drum of the same arguments and complaints, months and yet sometimes years after they left?

Don't they have anything better to do with their time?

Just curious....

How many times have I gone to the movies only to find a UPC'er on vacation sitting next to me or doing something else that doesn't follow the UPC standards? So many UPC'ers live one life in/at the church but another when they think no one is looking. I chose to leave the church because I felt I was being a hypocrite by not following the standards. Sure makes it hard for someone like me to understand. So, maybe we are not bashing but just trying to understand how some can say one thing but do another.....