Baptism question for One-Steppers

[KWSS1976]

But at that time there was (2) god in heaven and jesus on earth when matthew 28:19 was stated. I don't reply most of the time to one person also cause I want my post open to all to talk about and discuss

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Ferd

AQP, why does it matter if you know or not? The simple reality is that the bible commands it.

Because as a general rule we Pentecostals have assigned everyone to hell if they've been baptized with the Matt. 28:19 formula. I don't want to do that if it is not an absolute fact.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ferd

AQP, why does it matter if you know or not? The simple reality is that the bible commands it.

Really AQP, just shut up and "obey!" Understanding is not an important component to faith.

Actually, since Fernando seems cranky lately, I might want to reword that so as to avoid the wrath!
On another thread someone mentioned how people are "destroyed" for a lack of knowledge. Shouldn't knowledge and understanding actually help us to believe and thus avoid "destruction?"

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

But at that time there was (2) god in heaven and jesus on earth when matthew 28:19 was stated. I don't reply most of the time to one person also cause I want my post open to all to talk about and discuss

We really need to start with an accurate knowledge of Father and Son. Any hint at multiple Gods is firmly rejected by Oneness and Trinitarians both.

The Son is God as he relates to his creation and humanity - in and through the incarnation (God in flesh). Not only is He God, but he is the expressed image of the invisible God.

The Father is God apart from the incarnation, fulfilling a majestic and parental role to His only begotten Son.

Any description of multiple deities is anathama in the Christian faith.

We come to our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ - the only door. There is none other name upon which we must call for our salvation.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Because as a general rule we Pentecostals have assigned everyone to hell if they've been baptized with the Matt. 28:19 formula. I don't want to do that if it is not an absolute fact.

its an absolute fact that if you have not been baptized in Jesus name, that you have not been obedient to scripture.

[JTTNMinistries]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

But at that time there was (2) god in heaven and jesus on earth when matthew 28:19 was stated. I don't reply most of the time to one person also cause I want my post open to all to talk about and discuss

No. There was One God operating in two ways. God is not limited to time and space and He can therefore be on the throne in heaven by His Spirit and standing on earth by His humanity at the same time.

There is no problem with that Biblically speaking.

[JTTNMinistries]

He/She needs to at least start a new thread instead of hijacking this one

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Really AQP, just shut up and "obey!" Understanding is not an important component to faith.

Actually, since Fernando seems cranky lately, I might want to reword that so as to avoid the wrath!
On another thread someone mentioned how people are "destroyed" for a lack of knowledge. Shouldn't knowledge and understanding actually help us to believe and thus avoid "destruction?"

You got me cranky with the magic comment. insipid.


and yes knowlege is certainly important. having a blessed understanding of what the scripture actually says is very important.

the scripture says be baptized in the name of Jesus.

thank you for pionting that out.

[cliff d]

Water baptism is for the removal of the adamic nature the original sin.........the Holy Spirit is what helps the believer deal with or have power to overcome his own sins(The sins he himself commits).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What do you think this verse means?

Acts 22:16 (King James Version)

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Does this mean that your sins are not washed away, gone, remitted.... until baptism? If not, what does it mean?

Some view the "wash away your sins" with "calling on the name of the Lord", which is what the candidate was supposed to do
Rom 10
9 because, if myou confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and nbelieve in your heart othat God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, p“Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 qFor there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; rfor the same Lord is Lord of all, sbestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For t“everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” m Matt. 10:32; Luke 12:8; [1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:11]

n See Acts 16:31

o [1 Pet. 1:21]; See Acts 2:24

p See ch. 9:33

q See ch. 3:22, 29

r Acts 10:36

s See ch. 2:4

t Acts 2:21; Cited from Joel 2:32

The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001 (Ro 10:9-13). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Here is an interesting thought though. Looking at the greek, "baptized" is "active" which is why the greek word is translated "be baptized" or "get yourself baptized" and is a "Imperative" which means this was a command or a exhortation. Paul was commanded to "immerse yourself" or "have yourself immersed" or "get yourself baptized".

The conjunction "kai" connects "get yourself baptized" with "wash away" and is Logical

logical —A conjunction that relates the flow of thought from one phrase, clause or passage to another phrase, clause, or passage by expressing logical relationships between those items.

Heiser, M. S. (2005; 2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology (logical). Logos Bible Software.



And Connective

connective —A conjunction that connects an additional idea or grammatical element (word, phrase, clause) to a previous idea or grammatical element. For example, the connective conjunction may serve to logically continue a narrative (“…and Jesus said”) or to associate two items that, in the context, are together the mutual focus of the clause (“Aquila and Priscilla taught Apollos”)

Heiser, M. S. (2005; 2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology (connective). Logos Bible Software.

BTW apparently only in the TR does the word for Lord appear. In other texts and MSS it's just "call on His name" or "Call upon the name of Him"