Hummmm.... Suppose my 9 yr old went to a sitter for a few days, then she comes home a baptized Mormon, Catholic or Baptist... yes indeed I would at least consider a visit to the courts! And if I did I would certainly hope the courts would hear me and consider judgment against the offending persons.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Hummmm.... Suppose my 9 yr old went to a sitter for a few days, then she comes home a baptized Mormon, Catholic or Baptist... yes indeed I would at least consider a visit to the courts! And if I did I would certainly hope the courts would hear me and consider judgment against the offending persons.
What exactly would the charge be ?
Again, can I take the school to court because my child comes home a believer in the Big Bang ?
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Again, can I take the school to court because my child comes home a believer in the Big Bang ?
I am not an attorney and I am not saying the charges would be criminal - perhaps just civil.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
We should approach this the same way as we would want things played out if our child was getting baptized in an AOG church. If it is the child's decision to make, or if he is no longer under parental control - that changes things.
I believe it is the childs decision to make. The only decision I as a parent can make is how things will be in my home. If my child wants to partake of another religion I dont agree with, I can regulate that in my home and be justified in doing so. But if that child wants to practice that religion outside of the home then ok.
NOTE:Knowing somebody is gonna bring up the obvious idiocies, this of course does not include taking part in any practice that would hurt themselves or others or ... yada yada yada...
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
I believe it is the childs decision to make. The only decision I as a parent can make is how things will be in my home. If my child wants to partake of another religion I dont agree with, I can regulate that in my home and be justified in doing so. But if that child wants to practice that religion outside of the home then ok.
NOTE:Knowing somebody is gonna bring up the obvious idiocies, this of course does not include taking part in any practice that would hurt themselves or others or ... yada yada yada...
Totally disagree. The parents are responsible and decide what religion and what God is served until that child is no longer under their roof.
PS For them to "hurt themselves or others" is a lessor crime than to turn away from Christ - though one may argue they are closely related. Whatever authority you think you have in the prior case also applies to the latter.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Hummmm.... Suppose my 9 yr old went to a sitter for a few days, then she comes home a baptized Mormon, Catholic or Baptist... yes indeed I would at least consider a visit to the courts! And if I did I would certainly hope the courts would hear me and consider judgment against the offending persons.
I do believe there's a big difference in a 9 yr old and a 16 yr old. I'm betting the outcome of the courts would be quite different in regard to an older child.
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But my question here would be. If the parents lead the child away from salvation, we know that the parents will give account on that day to come. But will the child be pardoned of sin because he/she chose to submit to their parents ?
What is the age of freedom ? In the bible, Jesus was 12 as you say and submitted to His parents. Mans law says that freedom comes at age 18. The bible says accountance for sin begins when one is of the realization that it is sin. "Those who know wrong and do so anyway". So should the age of realization of whats desired of God and the age of freedom to fulfill such be the same ?
Don't know if we are helping teen here or confusing .
I still think that the child only has a couple of more years till he/she can do as he wants without needing parental consent. The church could open itself to law suits if they do something that a parent does not allow the child to do. If it is something that folks are afraid the child will not be 'saved' I think that can be solved by the teen dunking him/her self under the water in Jesus name for the remission of sins. There does not seem to be any law about it having to be a preacher. So in the tub or at a pool dunk yourself under in the name of Jesus and be done with it. If you want witnesses then have a church friend watch and hear you do it so that no one can say it was not done and all will be well with everyone. The church would not be liable because they did not do it and no one for the parent to get angry with. Also those that are worried about the teens salvation can be put at easy that the name has been applied. Then if you want to make it 'official' once they reach 18 they can. That will take care of it for those that feel a minister has to do it.
If its what you feel God wants you to do then do it. No offense here to parents but we are not talking about a decision to go to a concert or slumber party or to get a tattoo. You bet, we all wish these answers could be perfect, that is the point behind them. We want something to work out so all can live happily ever after. Well, guess what, dont always work that way. Jesus himself spoke of the fact that his mother and brothers were no longer His family. You are the same, you belong to Jesus Christ if that is who you have chosen to submit to. Yes, honor thy father and mother , but honor them over God ?
Get baptized, explain to your parents the reason you have done so, I believe despite your mothers stance somewhere down deep she will understand. I'm sure any reprecussions you face will not exceed anything Paul experienced.
I dont have a perfect answer either that will make the road your on any smoother. But we were never promised a smooth road, only a reward for our sacrifice and commitment.
2 things:
1) I agree with you!!!!
2)CHANGE YOUR FONT!!!!!!!! AAARRRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!! IT HUUUURTS MY EEEEYES!!!!!!!!
As far as the church being sued...what is the biblical requirement for someone to be the baptizer? What if a friend in that church, baptized and filled already with the Spirit, baptized him? They do it somewhere where there is a pool or at the ocean...nobody else around? The church is not liable...can they sue some 16 year old kid for baptizing his friend?
And that is assuming the parents find out
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The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
As far as the church being sued...what is the biblical requirement for someone to be the baptizer? What if a friend in that church, baptized and filled already with the Spirit, baptized him? They do it somewhere where there is a pool or at the ocean...nobody else around? The church is not liable...can they sue some 16 year old kid for baptizing his friend?
And that is assuming the parents find out
IF the church did it, YOU COULD LAY MONEY ON THEM FINDING OUT. That is the sad thing. I would love to know if these parents who don't want their child getting baptized would be as upset if they smoked weed or got drunk or even got a tattoo.
I went to church with a girl who had trouble with her parents. They did not want her getting baptized, though after the pastor talked to them they consented. Yet when they would get mad at her for something they would ground her from going to church. They never grounded her from going to school functions, or other extra curricular activities but always from church functions. Once she left the church and started doing the things they all did, get drunk, sleep around, etc etc she no longer had trouble with them. Makes no sense to me.
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