Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
Interesting point.
I would think not, but in todays world someone might just pull it off.
Yet, can I sue the government school for brainwashing my child about evolution ? We don't have much freedom in the way of education, but they say we do have freedom of religion. Does that freedom extend to those underage ?
The same activist parents today who would sue the church for brainwashing a child under their roof without their consent first would tell you that your child under your roof should be given the freedom without your consent to live a homosexual lifestyle if they wish.
In world where the tide is turning against us, we should make stands every chance we get.
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We see Jesus as a babe and then we get a glimpse of him at twelve. After being lost
from his parents, and being found in the temple, he went with Mary and Joseph and submit-
ted to them. He had suggested that he had to be about his Father's business, yet he submit-
ted and went home with them. And he grew in wisdom and in stature.
Now Jesus told his disciples that he did only the things his Father (Spirit) told him to do. And that he only said the things his Father told him to say.
It is my opinion that his FATHER told him (a twelve yr old boy) to submit to his earthly parents.
God gave children parents because they needed them. The elder teach the younger.
I believe there is an order in God's creation.
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I would agree.
But my question here would be. If the parents lead the child away from salvation, we know that the parents will give account on that day to come. But will the child be pardoned of sin because he/she chose to submit to their parents ?
What is the age of freedom ? In the bible, Jesus was 12 as you say and submitted to His parents. Mans law says that freedom comes at age 18. The bible says accountance for sin begins when one is of the realization that it is sin. "Those who know wrong and do so anyway". So should the age of realization of whats desired of God and the age of freedom to fulfill such be the same ?
Don't know if we are helping teen here or confusing .
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
If I could also introduce an different aspect of this situation that could be at work here.
This is not an issue of God or baptism or salvation. This is a bad parenting move altogether.
If I get bit by a dog and don't like them, should I not allow my child to have one ?
My mom didn't treat me anything like she treats my children, do I keep them from seeing her ?
My oldest daughter as many of you know was killed in a car wreck, do I keep the younger daughter from driving or riding in a car ?
This is a personal issue. The mother was hurt by a religious belief or church or people. As such she is living her personal problem with that event in her life through her child.
You bet, I watched and questioned every car, seatbelt and road my younger daughter was even close to...... for a while. But we all know the proper answer to that is .... you gotta let it go, you gotta let them go. I can't shadow my daughter because of a past hurt.
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Hi, I am new to this forum but pentecostalguy once asked prayer for me on this forum. The prayer was for my parents to allow me to be baptized. I have been going to a UPCI church for 5 years. I was filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of Speaking in tongues 4 years ago. During this entire 5 years I have desired to be baptized but my parents have refused to allow me to be baptized. I have been praying for the past 5 years for them to change their minds about baptism. My parents hate the fact that attend church and I try my best to serve the Lord. My mother was raised in the UPCI but is very much against its teaching and denounces the practice of baptism altogether. I have began to feel discouraged by both my situation with my parents and my church. Many of the members have began to tell me that if I really loved the Lord I would find a away to get baptized no matter what. Some have even began to make feel so unworthy and unwelcome in the church that I have faithfully gone to for so long. I don't know if I should leave this church and go to another Apostolic church because they have really made me feel like God doesn't love me because i have yet to be baptized. I tell them its not by choice but they refuse to try to understand. I am so frustrated with the situation. I have come to doubt the call of God in my life. I don't understand why God would reveal something to me that is not possible right now because of my parents refusal. Any advice would be helpful.
I guess the options are
Get baptized with out your parents knowing.
Wait until you are 18 and can make those decisions for yourself.
As far as the church situation...
Tell the pastor how you feel and that if attitudes do not change you will have to find another church. Don't be pushy or accusative or confrontational, just tell him that you feel members have begun treating you a certain way and it makes it hard to keep attending.
BTW, while waiting I would just continue to trust the Lord in prayer for the situation. Ask Him for direction. Read the word daily
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Teen, if I were you, I would continue talking to my parents about it. Press the issue. It's very likely that they'll eventually say - "FINE! DO it if you insist!!"
I would try this tact first, before choosing to do it without their permission.
If its what you feel God wants you to do then do it. No offense here to parents but we are not talking about a decision to go to a concert or slumber party or to get a tattoo. You bet, we all wish these answers could be perfect, that is the point behind them. We want something to work out so all can live happily ever after. Well, guess what, dont always work that way. Jesus himself spoke of the fact that his mother and brothers were no longer His family. You are the same, you belong to Jesus Christ if that is who you have chosen to submit to. Yes, honor thy father and mother , but honor them over God ?
Get baptized, explain to your parents the reason you have done so, I believe despite your mothers stance somewhere down deep she will understand. I'm sure any reprecussions you face will not exceed anything Paul experienced.
I dont have a perfect answer either that will make the road your on any smoother. But we were never promised a smooth road, only a reward for our sacrifice and commitment.
We should approach this the same way as we would want things played out if our child was getting baptized in an AOG church. If it is the child's decision to make, or if he is no longer under parental control - that changes things.
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You said that you're going against your parent's wishes by even attending church. Why don't you go against their wishes to be baptized?
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Originally Posted by teen
Well I am 16, let me clarify my parents allow me to go to church. They don't like they I go but they allow me to go. My Mom allows me to go mostly because of the respect she has for my Grandmother. My Grandmother however is very elderly with Alzheimer's so she is now pretty much absent from the situation. I do obey my parents wishes to not allow me to get baptized because I am afraid of the repercussions that I will face if I do get baptized.
This above text in bold is what concerns me about suggesting the above person disobey their parents, because we do not know what they mean by repercussions.
Maybe I am reading too much into the above statement, however, I am looking at said statement through my eyes and reasoning.
I was raised in the church because my grandmother cared enough to make sure that I was. However, what few in my life and none in my church knew growing up, was of the physical abuse I suffered at home.
I am not in any way suggesting Teen is abused,I'm simply saying that we should use caution when it comes to advising a child to go against their parents.
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Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
Actually, I don't think they can. In fact, parents don't have a right to even force their kids to attend church, and if their child wanted to attend a different church and it came up before the court, the parents would most likely lose.
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