Do you believe the innocent party in a situation

[Ron]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Same answer we've given over and over above. You're responsible for your part in it. You're responsible for the temptation, or the discouragement... but the ultimate choice to SIN is up to the individual.

Short & to the point!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Same answer we've given over and over above. You're responsible for your part in it. You're responsible for the temptation, or the discouragement... but the ultimate choice to SIN is up to the individual.

I agree that any person that sins is accountable. I am not focusing on that side of the issue - it's just a given, for heaven's sake. That part doesn't even need to be discussed. We get that.

I want to know why we think the person putting a stumblingblock in someone's way is, in some way, not guilty as well for his part. As though, he didn't make matters worse for the weak.

By your post, above, you appear to be dismissing the part the father played in the outcome of his son's life.

I have to run. My husband wants to take the boat out on the lake. Just in time too!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ron

We are all responsible for our actions both good & bad!
I believe the word teaches this.

Case in point, I may wish my wife were more "submissive" (what man doesn't? LOL) she may wish I were more loving & we both have a point.

When I stand before God, I Nam not going to answer to God for her submissiveness or lack thereof, & when she stands before God, she will not answer for my love for her or lack thereof, she will answer for her submissiveness!

Make sense?

I believe we all have a responsibility to seek God ourselves!

I understand that, Ron and I agree. But will we answer for putting a stumblingblock in front of a person? Aren't we just as accountable for that? We keep focusing on the one that sinned and, IMO, we are not looking at the person that caused them to stumble. The Bible says that we can, indeed, cause a person to stumble.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I agree that any person that sins is accountable. I am not focusing on that side of the issue - it's just a given, for heaven's sake. That part doesn't even need to be discussed. We get that.

I want to know why we think the person putting a stumblingblock in someone's way is, in some way, not guilty as well for his part. As though, he didn't make matters worse for the weak.

By your post, above, you appear to be dismissing the part the father played in the outcome of his son's life.

I have to run. My husband wants to take the boat out on the lake. Just in time too!

That sound you hear is me hysterically howling in frustration.



I did NOT dismiss the father's part, I said he WOULD be responsible for HIS PART. I've said that over and over and over.

You're responsible for placing a stumbling block. You're responsible for causing temptation.

You are NOT responsible for someone else's sin.

And now I'm going to try to jump off of this merry-go-round.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

That sound you hear is me hysterically howling in frustration.



I did NOT dismiss the father's part, I said he WOULD be responsible for HIS PART. I've said that over and over and over.

You're responsible for placing a stumbling block. You're responsible for causing temptation.

You are NOT responsible for someone else's sin.

And now I'm going to try to jump off of this merry-go-round.

You appeared to dismiss the part of the father, because you didn't address it until I pounded your for an answer. LOL!

And YES, if you are responsible for causing temptation and placing a stumbling block then YES you are responsible, for part, of the person falling into sin.

That does not make one bit of sense to say - Yes, I am responsible for causing him to be tempted and I am responsible for causing him to stumble, but it ain't my fault he actually done did it!! Puleeeeze!!!!

Good Lord! Now, that is a virtual Merry-Go-Round.

If, I withheld sex from my husband for weeks and months and someone stepped in and picked up the slack, don't even think I would not take a share of the blame. I would have to own up to it that I put some major pressure on him - major. We were both wrong and we will both be held accountable for our part.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I understand that, Ron and I agree. But will we answer for putting a stumblingblock in front of a person? Aren't we just as accountable for that? We keep focusing on the one that sinned and, IMO, we are not looking at the person that caused them to stumble. The Bible says that we can, indeed, cause a person to stumble.

Yes, you are right!

If I cause someone to stumble I am not guiltless!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So, if spouse A commits adultery and spouse B does not, and there is a divorce, ex-spouse B is not able to remarry? Is that what you're saying?

1Cor 7:10-11
Mk. 10:11-12
Lu.16:18
Rom. 7:1-3
1Cor. 7:39
All say NO.

There scripture NOWHERE says adultery gives the right to remarry.

Mt. 5:31-32, 19:9 says FORNICATION not ADULTERY.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You appeared to dismiss the part of the father, because you didn't address it until I pounded your for an answer. LOL!

And YES, if you are responsible for causing temptation and placing a stumbling block then YES you are responsible, for part, of the person falling into sin.

That does not make one bit of sense to say - Yes, I am responsible for causing him to be tempted and I am responsible for causing him to stumble, but it ain't my fault he actually done did it!! Puleeeeze!!!!

Good Lord! Now, that is a virtual Merry-Go-Round.

If, I withheld sex from my husband for weeks and months and someone stepped in and picked up the slack, don't even think I would not take a share of the blame. I would have to own up to it that I put some major pressure on him - major. We were both wrong and we will both be held accountable for our part.

Yes, but as A Quiet One, Miss B, Ron and myself have said over and over.....you would "take a share of the blame", but HE decided to sin.

It COULD be your fault.....but it's not your sin. He decides to SIN on his own.

You need to go back to agreeing to disagree on this point. Why does it frustrate you so that we won't agree with you?

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by blueeyes

Do you believe the innocent party in a situation of adultery can remarry?


I saw this question on an old forum here, and I myself question the biblical reference to answer this question. I know many within the apostolic faith who believe that the innocent party is able to remarry within the church and receive God's blessings. However I am not sure....

I think the proof is in the pudding....

I know one minister whose first wife committed adultery. The man she did it with was very close to the husband also. The husband did everything he could to reconcile the relationship with his wife and the adulterating man. His wife eventually chose to leave him although he and the man are still very close.

He not only is still in ministry, but God has promoted the ministry in many ways. The Holy Spirit anointing on this man is about the strongest I've seen on anyone. I have personally seen devils cast out, people healed, and set free through his meetings.

If God is not hold this against him, why should man?

On another note I know of a man who was married/divorced before salvation. He got saved, called to the ministry, and has literally ministered to millions of people with multitudes of testimonies or healings, deliverances, etc.

Again I say, if God's not holding it against them then why should man?

I think people get stuck on minors and it holds them back. Love people, help people, but let God work out the details

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by simplyme

Since two become as ONE, both are either guilty or innocent., whatever the case may be.

This is where living in a theoretic world will get you messed up. What you have said sounds really good and really spiritual, but is really absurd.

The next line of your quote, which I didn't include talked about both should do everything they can to keep the marriage together. I totally agree with that. But consider the marriage of a physically abusive husband. Is the wife guilty of being beaten? Is it her fault? I don't care if she is the biggest...well I won't say...in town she doesn't deserve to be hit.

In the case of adultery, the husband (or wife) may have yielded themself to a spirit of lust of which the other spouse had no control over. Or possible one spouse starts using drugs, the reoccurrance of an old habit, it's not the other persons fault.

While it does take two to make a marriage work one can give 150% while the other gives nothing so just because the two became one does not mean other is at fault.

Let me take this a step further. Many think that because a woman is married to a Pastor that it makes her a Pastor also. NOT! Tell me what Peter's wife did? We know he was married and as one of the most powerful of the Apostle's this theology would surely make her an Apostle also.

This "two becomes one" is taken into realms that cannot be supported too often.