Is baptism essential unto salvation?

[KWSS1976]

Dordrecht the thief on the cross don't count even though he died after Jesus to some on here just like Elizabeth being filled with the holyghost and not speaking in tongues does not matter but both matter to me and I already posted what tongues were used for in Acts..read below... LOL

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Aquila

One has to be baptized in response to the Gospel.

Now, the only place I differ with "traditional" Pentecostal understanding is in that I don't believe one must be completely submerged. I believe that pouring is sufficient.

Your kidding right, Baptism and Pouring aren't even comparable, baptism means burial period, the actual Greek word was used to describe a sinking ship, not a ship being deluged by rain or waves, but ship going under the water for good.

[Pastor Keith]

Since the dawn of the Church age, every believer should be baptized, to avoid or refuse to submit to baptism is to then walk in unbelief and the result will be damnation. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, the emphasis is on saving faith that will result in someone being buried with Christ and having the body of sins destroyed.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The thief wasn't a NT Christian. Christ wasn't dead yet. The thief was a sinner under the Law crying out to Jesus, his great highpriest. Jesus, offering himself up for sacrifice, forgave him based on that sacrifice.

Actually, Jesus died before the thief did.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Your kidding right, Baptism and Pouring aren't even comparable, baptism means burial period, the actual Greek word was used to describe a sinking ship, not a ship being deluged by rain or waves, but ship going under the water for good.

I had a preacher tell me that when a person is baptized by the Spirit, the Spirit is poured out upon him, therefore water baptism is water poured out upon a person.

The Greek word bapto (Strongs no. 911) is used in the Greek Old Testament where it says Nebuchadnezzar was "wet" from the dew.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen! The pouring of the Laver as part of clensing in the tabernacle is a wonderful type of water baptism.

Were the priests immersed/dipped/buried in the laver as part of their daily cleansing?

[KWSS1976]

Right sam the thief died after jesus per my post

thief on the cross don't count even though he died after Jesus

[KWSS1976]

Or jesus died before the thief same results..LOL

[KWSS1976]

Which brings up the OLD/NEW Covenant issue everyone is so stuck on

[Dordrecht]

Ok......I repented of my sins, got filled with the Holy Ghost.......

I made an appointment with the pastor to get baptized and on my way to church ran off a cliff with the old klunker and got killed...now I go to hell!

Makes no sense, but according to some of you going to hell makes sense in this case because I was not baptized. Got it!