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Old 06-23-2009, 09:35 AM
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Re: A Few of the Great Hell Sermons from History

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Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
As the elect are enjoying a period of (aionion) life with the Lord, the wicked will be enduring an (aionion) period of correction. After which Jesus will surrender His sonship "that God may be all in all" to the Father, all humanity will surrender likewise to the Father, as they bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:39 AM
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As the elect are enjoying a period of (aionion) life with the Lord, the wicked will be enduring an (aionion) period of correction. After which Jesus will surrender His sonship "that God may be all in all" to the Father, all humanity will surrender likewise to the Father, as they bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of God the Father.
So everlasting punishment won't last forever? Sweeeeet!
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So everlasting punishment won't last forever? Sweeeeet!
There is great evidence in the original language that everlasting is an age, a long period of time or and undetermined length of time. It is definitely not endless.

Doesn't mean it will be pleasant, is correction ever pleasant?
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There is great evidence in the original language that everlasting is an age, a long period of time or and undetermined length of time. It is definitely not endless.

Doesn't mean it will be pleasant, is correction ever pleasant?
Does aionion mean "an age" in all of the places it's used?
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
And does it mean "undetermined length of time" and definitely not endless in all the places it talks about eternal life for believers?
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Does aionion mean "an age" in all of the places it's used?
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
And does it mean "undetermined length of time" and definitely not endless in all the places it talks about eternal life for believers?
The subject (God) in these verses effect the tenure. Further God can be the God of the age and also be the God of the ages of the ages. This age, the next age and the age after that, and on and on.

Punishment/correction by its definition has purpose and will always end when its purpose is accomplished.
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The subject (God) in these verses effect the tenure. Further God can be the God of the age and also be the God of the ages of the ages. This age, the next age and the age after that, and on and on.

Punishment/correction by its definition has purpose and will always end when its purpose is accomplished.
OK, what about aionion life? Does context somehow tell us it means forever? Does it mean forever where it makes more sense to mean forever, and age when it makes more sense to mean age?

How in the world would the NT writers say forever and mean forever, unambiguously, if they wanted to? Suppose everlasting punishment really did mean everlasting punishment. How would we know?
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BTW, CJ, are you invisible for some reason? I can never seem to "catch" you online.
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There is a punishment of the wicked taught in the bible,I don't see the unredeemed finding salvation after death,in my own heart I question my own burden for the unregenerate.
We need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified to this untoward generation more than ever before.
I don't want to be too technical... but...

Salvation is designed to prevent one from experiencing the corrective torments of Hell (regardless as to how one views them). If a soul experiences Hell for any length of time, be it a year or for all eternity they didn't expeirence salvation. IF (big if here),- if a soul were to find reconciliation after a period in Hell, they will have found reconcilation, not salvation.
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Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Study the meaning of the word punishment, "kolasis". Another interpretation is "correction" in the sense of pruning a small tree to make it grow better and stronger. Therefore Christ could be saying that the unrighteous will go away into a process that forever corrects them, while the righteous pass immediately into life eternal.

Just a thought.
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But how can one be reconciled to Christ,and not have salvation ?
Another thing how can the blood of Christ,be applied to someone after they die ?
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