White Cop vs Black Scholar

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

Understood. I think what Monk is going goofy about (and what gets me in constant knock-down drag-outs with people) is this...there seems to be an opinion among SOOO many white people that racism is a part of history and NOT a part of our present world. I have a very close friend who is a black doctor who has taught me SOOO much about the "real world."

AND....the common opinion is, "their ok as long as you don't date them." Yes of course inter-racial marriages can catch it from both sides. But CLEARLY we (caucasian) are the majority race and bear the responsibility in this country to create a level playing field. I'm one of the crazies that actually supports Affirmative Action ESPECIALLY in the education system. And those who are furious when a white man misses out on a job opportunity when a company needs to meed a "quota"? If you miss out on an employment opportunity because you are white, we still have about 200 years of favoring the African-American community to even things up.

This subject seems to be close to you and in your family. I'd be interested in your ethnic heritage and your wife, but if you'd rather not share you can just ignore my inquiry.

The Affirmative Action thing can be a very bitter pill to ask anyone to swallow especially when they're trying to feed their family. And you're right about "today."

It's kind of odd - I see the most racism in the so called "Blue States" today. But to I find it hard to accept the idea that 2 wrongs are going to make a right. You'll just end up engendering more bitterness and simmering resentment. That's what leads to racism and hate.

[n david]

From the scholar, Gate's, Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

Whitey? I think Gates is the one who has a problem with racism. Why more haven't clued into this is beyond me. His work of the past, present and future should contain a huge asterisk for being racially biased.

Source

The Cambridge Mayor spoke again ...

The arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., and the racially charged controversy that followed, will be remembered “as a turning point for the city” and its residents, Cambridge Mayor Denise Simmons said Monday.

Ultimately, she said, the city will “come out stronger and more unified.”

Uhm, with due respect Mayor ... it's better to be silent and thought of as ignant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

"Turning point for the city?" Why is this a "turning point?" Cambridge will "come out stronger and be more unified?"

Lady Mayor, last I checked, the support for the white cop was overwhelming ... and you weren't in that number. In fact, the first thing you did was rush to apologize to Gates over the bad, white cops arrest.

The only way Cambridge will be more unified will be to toss this Mayor out with the next election. She's been shown to be racially biased and unable to resolve conflicts in an impartial manner.

Source

I lost the source, but read (I believe on CNN) that the police have requested the city release both the 911 call and police transmissions to clear up allegations of racism on part of the 911 caller and officer.

Hopefully this happens. As stated before, the officer should follow thru with a defamation suit against those involved in smearing him. They should be held accountable and shouldn't be allowed to get by with it.

[coadie]

This past March 29th, Professor Henry Louis Gates was being interviewed in front of a small group by Walter Isaacson on C-SPAN's Book TV. Thirty-three minutes into the discussion about his new book on Lincoln, Professor Gates began a detailed account of his own genealogy. He said that in doing so he had discovered he was about "50% white". He said that this was quote, "To my astonishment and horror...".


He continued by saying that he had subsequently sent his DNA off to be tested. This time, upon finding out he was "57% white", he said again, "to my horror .... I was becoming more white by the minute". To this Gates, Isaacson and everyone else there chuckled.


Something tells me that if Mr. Isaacson had said that he also had sent his DNA off and found that to his "astonishment and horror" he was 57% black, no one would chuckle, least of all the Professor of African American Studies at Harvard, Dr. Gates.


This diminutive man is the epitome of intellectual elitism.

Poor Gates is frustrated.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by coadie

This past March 29th, Professor Henry Louis Gates was being interviewed in front of a small group by Walter Isaacson on C-SPAN's Book TV. Thirty-three minutes into the discussion about his new book on Lincoln, Professor Gates began a detailed account of his own genealogy. He said that in doing so he had discovered he was about "50% white". He said that this was quote, "To my astonishment and horror...".


He continued by saying that he had subsequently sent his DNA off to be tested. This time, upon finding out he was "57% white", he said again, "to my horror .... I was becoming more white by the minute". To this Gates, Isaacson and everyone else there chuckled.


Something tells me that if Mr. Isaacson had said that he also had sent his DNA off and found that to his "astonishment and horror" he was 57% black, no one would chuckle, least of all the Professor of African American Studies at Harvard, Dr. Gates.


This diminutive man is the epitome of intellectual elitism.

Poor Gates is frustrated.

Gates was being facetious when he spoke of the "horror" of being partially white. You are correct that if the white Mr. Isaacson had joked of the "horror" of being partially black, he would have been attacked as a racist by Gates himself!

It will be interesting how the good professor explains himself if the tapes back up the police report!

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by n david

From the scholar, Gate's, Yale application:



Whitey? I think Gates is the one who has a problem with racism. Why more haven't clued into this is beyond me. His work of the past, present and future should contain a huge asterisk for being racially biased.

Source

The Cambridge Mayor spoke again ...


Uhm, with due respect Mayor ... it's better to be silent and thought of as ignant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

"Turning point for the city?" Why is this a "turning point?" Cambridge will "come out stronger and be more unified?"

Lady Mayor, last I checked, the support for the white cop was overwhelming ... and you weren't in that number. In fact, the first thing you did was rush to apologize to Gates over the bad, white cops arrest.

The only way Cambridge will be more unified will be to toss this Mayor out with the next election. She's been shown to be racially biased and unable to resolve conflicts in an impartial manner.

Source

I lost the source, but read (I believe on CNN) that the police have requested the city release both the 911 call and police transmissions to clear up allegations of racism on part of the 911 caller and officer.

Hopefully this happens. As stated before, the officer should follow thru with a defamation suit against those involved in smearing him. They should be held accountable and shouldn't be allowed to get by with it.

n David...

I had pretty much promised myself that I wouldn't reply to anymore of your posts because you just make me mad. But...I just wanted to respond to one thing you said in this post.

You mentioned that the professor used the word "whitey" in his application.

I don't think any of us have a defense for that, BUT...200+ years of institutionalized racism in the "land of the free and the home of the brave" can make a person say things that maybe you or I wouldn't say when we've NEVER experienced being slighted because of the color of our skin.

I understand where he's coming from and my only response to slurs like that is to do my part in creating an environment where he wouldn't say things like that.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

n David...

I had pretty much promised myself that I wouldn't reply to anymore of your posts because you just make me mad. But...I just wanted to respond to one thing you said in this post.

Do I need to take sensitivity training before posting so your feelings won't get hurt?

Originally Posted by Irreligious

You mentioned that the professor used the word "whitey" in his application.

I don't think any of us have a defense for that, BUT...200+ years of institutionalized racism in the "land of the free and the home of the brave" can make a person say things that maybe you or I wouldn't say when we've NEVER experienced being slighted because of the color of our skin.

I understand where he's coming from and my only response to slurs like that is to do my part in creating an environment where he wouldn't say things like that.

Uhm, 200+ years of "institutionalized racism?" Where you pull that number out of? The "institutionalized racism" ended before 200+years. There may well be racism yet, but it's not institutionalized. Good grief, look no further than who's in the White House.

And you're right ... there's NO defense for that. You can bet your sweet aunt bessie that if a white person were to write on their application to Morehouse or Texas Southern: "As always, (n-word) now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself," all heck would break loose.

Both are meant to be derogatory towards each race ... neither should be more acceptable than the other, though it seems a black can say "whitey" and get away with it more than the white who says the n-word.

Hope I didn't bruise your thin skin with the post.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The Affirmative Action thing can be a very bitter pill to ask anyone to swallow especially when they're trying to feed their family. And you're right about "today."

It's kind of odd - I see the most racism in the so called "Blue States" today. But to I find it hard to accept the idea that 2 wrongs are going to make a right. You'll just end up engendering more bitterness and simmering resentment. That's what leads to racism and hate.

I believe (and I'm gonna get AFF-bombed for this) that America has never corrected the problem of slavery. In the 1860's the Emancipation Proclamation released MILLIONS of slaves into society. They had no education, no marketable skills, they didn't even have last names!!!

This country did NOTHING to equip them, said, "Good luck", and set them free. GET THIS.....a lot of slave owners were compensated for the loss of their work force!!!!!!!

I see Affirmative Action as a beginning of America doing it's part to solve the problem it created by doing NOTHING for 4 million people who were released into a free society COMPLETELY unequipped.

Those 4 million have turned into the hopelessness of inner-city slums, inner-city educational systems that are a joke, etc.

So for those who say "The past is the past" make no doubt about it....we're STILL paying for the past.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

I believe (and I'm gonna get AFF-bombed for this) that America has never corrected the problem of slavery. In the 1860's the Emancipation Proclamation released MILLIONS of slaves into society. They had no education, no marketable skills, they didn't even have last names!!!

This country did NOTHING to equip them, said, "Good luck", and set them free. GET THIS.....a lot of slave owners were compensated for the loss of their work force!!!!!!!

This isn't historically true. Harriet Beecher Stowe's family started a school in the south in order to educate and thus help the slaves to move on into freedom. I'm sure they were not the only people to do so. I'm sure others involved in the Underground Railroad were also involved.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by n david

Do I need to take sensitivity training before posting so your feelings won't get hurt?


Uhm, 200+ years of "institutionalized racism?" Where you pull that number out of? The "institutionalized racism" ended before 200+years. There may well be racism yet, but it's not institutionalized. Good grief, look no further than who's in the White House.

And you're right ... there's NO defense for that. You can bet your sweet aunt bessie that if a white person were to write on their application to Morehouse or Texas Southern: "As always, (n-word) now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself," all heck would break loose.

Both are meant to be derogatory towards each race ... neither should be more acceptable than the other, though it seems a black can say "whitey" and get away with it more than the white who says the n-word.

Hope I didn't bruise your thin skin with the post.

Mr. David, you DESPERATELY need sensitivity training and the idiocy of the this post shows that very well. Institutionalized racism ended before 200+ years ago??? Tell Jack & Jill I said "Hi" because you're in a fairy tale world.

It's funny.....I went days without looking at this thread because when I saw who posted it, I knew what position you would be taking on all this and I knew I'd just get completely flabbergasted again.

You need to read "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin.

So go ahead and hit me with your best shot because I'm not responding to your stuff. It just takes WAY too much joy out of my day.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This isn't historically true. Harriet Beecher Stowe's family started a school in the south in order to educate and thus help the slaves to move on into freedom. I'm sure they were not the only people to do so. I'm sure others involved in the Underground Railroad were also involved.

Yes it IS historically true. Harriet Beecher Stowe's family couldn't come anywhere CLOSE to taking care of 4 million people, neither could other small schools that you're assuming existed.

The US government did nothing. Nothing. But the government entities DID compensate many slave owners. More money was given to slave owners in compensation than was given to slaves.