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Old 10-06-2009, 12:08 PM
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Re: DKB: The Leader

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Obviously I am totally ticked. I can't believe that you would come on a forum and tell something about him - FROM A LONG TIME AGO - that was no one's business but yours, ALLOWING ALL readers and lurkers to have doubts about his character. Shameful!
And instead of letting it go you keep bringing it up for even MORE to read.
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:10 PM
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This would have been very nice and kind if you had not already painted him, for all readers - members and lurkers alike - in the most horrible light.



Yet, you didn't afford your readers here the same. I would have liked to hear his side as well.
You are really making a mountain out of a molehill. Saying that someone "years ago" left a sour taste in your mouth is not "painting him...in the most horrible light."

Sister Alvear explained the context of her statement, regarding a letter that was sent. I don't think anyone could come away from her post thinking anything other than DB may have made an impulsive judgment call. Perhaps he caused an offense that he never made right?

My father made similar mistakes, and he had to eat crow later. It doesn't make him a bad person--it just means he was young[ish] and impulsive and immature. Once he tried to force the hand of one of his pastors by telling him that he needed to stop his (the pastor's) daughters' fornicating, or "else." LOL!!! The pastor went with "or else" and my father was quickly booted from his position in the church--and as a member. Wrong? Not really....unwise? YEP!!!! He once sided with a well known minister against one of my sisters, and was completely wrong about the decision. My sister was deeply hurt, and later my Dad had to apologize. A lot of damage was done as a result of that bad call.

Ministers make mistakes. They make stupid decisions. That doesn't make them bad, and unless it's presented in a particularly vicious light, I don't see the point in sweeping it under the rug. Maybe Sister Alvear could have worded her post differently, but your reaction doesn't match her post. Normally the AFF doesn't use names in posts (the initial thing, right?), but this thread is about DKB, and so Sister Alvear posted her experience with him, specifically. The first few posts on this thread were much more negative, so why aren't you attacking those? Address the items in those posts.

I'm sure other people have more pleasant experiences to share--and to balance things out.
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Re: DKB: The Leader

Honestly, I am totally amazed that you are so ticked off. That could have been posted about my dad and I wouldn't be ticked off.

eta: ha, Miss Bratt, I just saw that you brought your dad into it, too. Lol. I wasn't copy-catting, we were posting at the same time.

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Old 10-06-2009, 12:13 PM
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Obviously I am totally ticked. I can't believe that you would come on a forum and tell something about him - FROM A LONG TIME AGO - that was no one's business but yours, ALLOWING ALL readers and lurkers to have doubts about his character. Shameful!
You are being ridiculous. Sister Alvear adequately explained herself, and what she said didn't place doubts on his character--it just made him look human. It's amazing that you are ignoring the first few posts on this thread and choosing the one little comment by Sister Alvear to dwell on.

I thought your husband told you to drop this? Aren't you an obedient wife?
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:14 PM
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And instead of letting it go you keep bringing it up for even MORE to read.
It's my observation and I can say it if I want to.

And nobody better talk about my daddy - Bratti and AQP - EVER!
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:16 PM
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Honestly, I am totally amazed that you are so ticked off. That could have been posted about my dad and I wouldn't be ticked off.

eta: ha, Miss Bratt, I just saw that you brought your dad into it, too. Lol. I wasn't copy-catting, we were posting at the same time.
So funny!!!! I know of so many mistakes made--by my Dad, and by numerous other ministers. It doesn't make them bad men--they're just men. The reason it doesn't reflect terribly on their character is because its obvious they were mistaken--not malicious.

Sister Alvear didn't make DB out to be a malicious man; she just pointed out that he had made a bad judgment call with her situation--which COULD be relevant to his methods of leadership now--or not.
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Obviously I am totally ticked. I can't believe that you would come on a forum and tell something about him - FROM A LONG TIME AGO - that was no one's business but yours, ALLOWING ALL readers and lurkers to have doubts about his character. Shameful!
Get over it ... seriously. Doubts about his character? I find nothing in her post that would cause me to doubt about his character.

If there's one person on AFF whom I would give the benefit of the doubt to, it's Sis. Alvear.

She said she had (one) experience that left a bad taste in her mouth. That is her opinion and she's perfectly entitled to it without being belittled and blasted by you for not giving the whole story or allowing the other side to express his view.

This man is in a public position and is, I'm sure by now, aware that because of his position and status in the UPC, his conduct, words, actions, etc will be remembered and reflected on --- good or bad.

Take the advice of your husband ...
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It's my observation and I can say it if I want to.

And nobody better talk about my daddy - Bratti and AQP - EVER!
I don't know your Daddy, so how could I talk about him?

You can say whatever you want, but you're just coming across as angry and slightly hysterical. IOW--nobody's going to listen to you right now!!!
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I don't know your Daddy, so how could I talk about him?

You can say whatever you want, but you're just coming across as angry and slightly hysterical. IOW--nobody's going to listen to you right now!!!
GOOD because I am angry!!
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I don't know your Daddy, so how could I talk about him?
I don't either, but it's probably safe to say, her daddy could beat up my daddy, any day!
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