Boy, you're not kidding! But watch out for the Giants!
Well its still football season down here in Dallas. You know, where "America's Team" is getting ready for the playoff run and the Mavs are 14-5, and Californians are trying to talk themself into baseball season.
NOW- not a bad guy
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Notofworks, I do want to mention something that I think is important in all of this. These people, these jokes - they are not really targeted at the person. They are targeted at the icon that these people have become or represent. The fact is, for better or worse, we tend to dehumanize people in positions or power or fame - and our jokes tend to aim more at the idea of that person rather than the actual person. Not one of the people here would stand by and laugh in Tiger's face during this (self-imposed) trial in his life. But, from a distance, he's just an icon. An idea. You are personalizing these jokes in a way that others are not. Sure, these are human beings. Is it right to distance them in this way? Maybe not. But I think it's important to recognize the difference.
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Wow. Why won't you answer the questions? Any of them. Do the answers at which you would almost certainly arrive, bother you? Do those certain answers put you, and others, in a bad light that would require you to take a step back and reconsider what you find humorous? Does the possibility that I, a confrontational dissenter of those who tell classless and un-Christlike jokes, might be correct in this matter?
Well, here are questions again. Could you please answer them?
Would the disciples have stood over the woman caught in adultery, and laughed? Would Jesus have done that? And if the disciples had laughed at her, what would Jesus' reaction have been?
First off, who stood over anybody and laughed? I didn't read that in any of the jokes. In that light, your questions aren't even relevant. It's apples to oranges.
Like I said, just fill in the blanks and it will be much easier because apparently, you won't be satisfied with anything less. I can accept that.
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No One, which is exactly the point I'm trying to make.
I didn't read that in any of the jokes. In that light, your questions aren't even relevant. It's apples to oranges.
Like I said, just fill in the blanks and it will be much easier because apparently, you won't be satisfied with anything less. I can accept that.
I am amazed at the lengths at which you resort to avoid answering a very simple question.
Jokes were told about Tiger that mocked his present calamity. Do I really need to spell this out for you? But if you need it specified even further....
Would the disciples have stood sat by their campfire at the end of the day after they heard about the woman caught in adultery, and laughed? Would Jesus have done that? And if the disciples had laughed at her, what would Jesus' reaction have been?
I am amazed at the lengths at which you resort to avoid answering a very simple question.
Jokes were told about Tiger that mocked his present calamity. Do I really need to spell this out for you? But if you need it specified even further....
Would the disciples have stood sat by their campfire at the end of the day after they heard about the woman caught in adultery, and laughed? Would Jesus have done that? And if the disciples had laughed at her, what would Jesus' reaction have been?
Any chance you can answer this time?
If they had not been there and seen it personally with ALL that took place and Jesus' reaction to it, I absolutely can see them making disparaging comments about the woman caught in adultery and maybe even making humorous comments about it. They were hard core fisherman, not wimpy namby pamby milk-toast feminine men.
You also fail to realize that the situation you are referring to was a set up. It was not a normal situation like someone prominent trying to get away with cheating on their wife and getting caught. It may be like a prominent Rabbi getting caught. Certainly it was the talk of the village and certainly talked about in many "lights" including humorously.
Why don't you simply take the mystery out of this whole thing you're trying to say/do and just tell all of us what YOU think the answers to these question are then we'll all know how we're supposed to respond to you....exactly.
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"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
Notofworks, I do want to mention something that I think is important in all of this. These people, these jokes - they are not really targeted at the person. They are targeted at the icon that these people have become or represent. The fact is, for better or worse, we tend to dehumanize people in positions or power or fame - and our jokes tend to aim more at the idea of that person rather than the actual person. Not one of the people here would stand by and laugh in Tiger's face during this (self-imposed) trial in his life. But, from a distance, he's just an icon. An idea. You are personalizing these jokes in a way that others are not. Sure, these are human beings. Is it right to distance them in this way? Maybe not. But I think it's important to recognize the difference.
But the implications are potentially enormous. Biblically, we're encouraged to confess our faults one to another. We're assured that we will each "restore such a one in the spirit of meekness". Let's assume for a moment that one of the posters here wants to "come clean" and get help for the things he/she has done and let's assume that "something" is adultery. But that person sees the reaction of may in the "Christian Community". Who would want to confess to a culture that laughs at, mocks, and makes fun of a person who falls into sin? Do you think it's possible a person in such a condition would be more prone to bottle up their transgressions as a result? I think that knowing the culture tends to laugh at, mock, and make fun of a person that has committed adultery, whether they be public or personal, would give great trepidation to a person who seeks recovery.
If they had not been there and seen it personally with ALL that took place and Jesus' reaction to it, I absolutely can see them making disparaging comments about the woman caught in adultery and maybe even making humorous comments about it. They were hard core fisherman, not wimpy namby pamby milk-toast feminine men.
You also fail to realize that the situation you are referring to was a set up. It was not a normal situation like someone prominent trying to get away with cheating on their wife and getting caught. It may be like a prominent Rabbi getting caught. Certainly it was the talk of the village and certainly talked about in many "lights" including humorously.
Why don't you simply take the mystery out of this whole thing you're trying to say/do and just tell all of us what YOU think the answers to these question are then we'll all know how we're supposed to respond to you....exactly.
I'll agree that the disciples may very well have done that which is exactly where I'm getting to, and it's the part of the question that you avoided again. What would the reaction of Jesus have been to their potential "disparaging remarks and humorous comments"?
If the disciples had broken down and wept and had compassion when they heard the woman had been caught in adultery would that have made them, "wimpy namby pamby milk-toast feminine men"?
Tiger's situation also appears to have been a "setup". There were two magazines set to break the story which is why there, evidently, was a heated argument between Tiger and his wife. Elin had been made aware of the reports which led to her grabbing his phone, according to news reports. So in actuality, there are similarities in the two situations. But even if....it's still adultery, just like the woman Jesus confronted, which is the center of the point I'm trying to make.
A duck walks into a bar. And he says to the bartender "Got any grapes?" The bartender says "No, I don’t have any grapes." The duck walks out, sorely disappointed.
So the next day, he walks back into the bar, asks the same question, gets the same answer.
The day after, he walks back into the bar, and again, asks the bartender, "Do you have any grapes?" The bartender, having still not figured out why this duck seems to think he may have some grapes, says to the duck, "No, and if you come back in here tomorrow and ask me if I have any grapes, I will nail your bill to the bar!"
The duck frowns, turns around, and walks out of the bar. So the next day, the duck walks back into the bar, and asks the bartender "Got any nails?"
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