Creation and Time by Hugh Ross - Page 6

Timmy · #51 01-04-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Still waiting to hear the explanation for all those huge meteoric impact craters found around the globe and when they would have occurred in recorded human history.

Of course I ask this on every thread where this subject is brought up.

On day 5 or earlier, before human history started, maybe?

Twisp · #52 01-04-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

So in other words...you believe the parts of the bible you believe and think the others are meaningless or just symbollic? Therefore you can conclude that in your opinion Genesis is a bunch of lies, but you like the Jesus part so you're cool with that?

YOu claim YEC is foolishness because of your studies. I and a whole lot of others say the same thing about OEC. One of us has a Bible that says God did it in 6 days. I think I will stick with the Bible.

Technically, we both have a Bible wherein the word "day" can be translated to mean a 24 hour period or simply a period or passage of time. If we are to believe Psalm 19:1-4, then we have to believe that the heavens declare the glory and knowledge of God. If that is the case, then the heavens definitively declare towards an old universe.

You can't say that Genesis declares 6 literal days, because it does not. Conversely, we can also cannot say that it declares billions of years, because it does not. However, when taken into context with other scriptures, and with what the heavens declare, there is little doubt towards an OEC viewpoint.

Timmy · #53 01-04-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Probably on day 2 of the creation

DOH!

jfrog · #54 01-04-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

DOH!

Or maybe it was on the day that God formed the earth, maybe he just liked the method of smacking big rocks into the earth to form it.

RandyWayne · #55 01-04-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Probably on day 2 of the creation

During that age we refer to as Day 2 -most likely.

Nitehawk013 · #56 01-04-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisp

Technically, we both have a Bible wherein the word "day" can be translated to mean a 24 hour period or simply a period or passage of time. If we are to believe Psalm 19:1-4, then we have to believe that the heavens declare the glory and knowledge of God. If that is the case, then the heavens definitively declare towards an old universe.

You can't say that Genesis declares 6 literal days, because it does not. Conversely, we can also cannot say that it declares billions of years, because it does not. However, when taken into context with other scriptures, and with what the heavens declare, there is little doubt towards an OEC viewpoint.

James Barr was a Professor of Hebrew. He says pretty bluntly that neither he nor any other serious Hebrew scholar sees any reason in the text to take "day" in Genesis as anything other than a true 24 hour day. So yeah...there is plenty of reason to declare Genesis is a literal day.

jfrog · #57 01-04-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

James Barr was a Professor of Hebrew. He says pretty bluntly that neither he nor any other serious Hebrew scholar sees any reason in the text to take "day" in Genesis as anything other than a true 24 hour day. So yeah...there is plenty of reason to declare Genesis is a literal day.

And I have read of scholars that say just the opposite. Wanna pit your scholar against mine???? We can have them battle to the death!

Nitehawk013 · #58 01-04-2010, 11:18 AM

Barr is already dead. That gives your scholar an unfair advantage.

If Yom didn't mean a literal day then Moses was speaking rubbish about the sabbath. He based the commandment in Ex 20 on a literal day of creation. UNless you think a sabbath day to the Israelites was actually a sabbath age.

jfrog · #59 01-04-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Barr is already dead. That gives your scholar an unfair advantage.

If Yom didn't mean a literal day then Moses was speaking rubbish about the sabbath. He based the commandment in Ex 20 on a literal day of creation. UNless you think a sabbath day to the Israelites was actually a sabbath age.

The sabbath day couldn't have been based on the account of genesis either way?

Nitehawk013 · #60 01-04-2010, 11:23 AM

Would see kinda funny to try to draw a comparison to the israelites don't you think?

God took billions of billions of years to create everything, then He rested on the 7th undefined, mind-numbingly long period of time, therefore after you all work for a few literal 24 days you should only get one short little day off.