Tiger Woods' Statement

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Ron

And you do?

Of course not....but neither do you and since you don't, you can choose to believe the best in him, or the worst. The love, grace, compassion, and kindness of Jesus Christ grants us the opportunity to believe the best in him. As well, the principles of Jesus Christ, which implores us to treat others as we would want to treated, seems to go so far as to require us to grant him grace and favor.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Barb

I still don't get it, Ron...

So it was scripted and rehearsed. He had a difficult thing to do, probably one of THE most difficult...who wouldn't write it down and rehearse it?

That doesn't make it an act or any less sincere.

I don't get it either, you feel it was sincere & that is your perogative, I felt other wise.

In the scheme of things really, I don't think he cares what you or I think one way or another.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Of course not....but neither do you and since you don't, you can choose to believe the best in him, or the worst. The love, grace, compassion, and kindness of Jesus Christ grants us the opportunity to believe the best in him. As well, the principles of Jesus Christ, which implores us to treat others as we would want to treated, seems to go so far as to require us to grant him grace and favor.

What does Grace & Mercy have to do with this?
He don't need forgiveness from me, he didn't do anything to me at all.
It is his family that he has to answer to.

The question was aked at the start of this thread, what do you think of the Statement/Apology?

I said it seems insincere to me, (in so many words).

Pretty simple/

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I agree, Timmy. Buddhism has helped and bettered many people. It's core values are nearly identical to the principles of Jesus. I believe Jesus will honor the following of his principles regardless of the system someone is in. And Buddhism has been a stepping stone for many people to ultimately following Jesus Christ.

So personally, I was glad when he said he wanted to return to the values of Buddhism. He is on a spiritual journey and I'm glad he's starting somewhere.

Does that mean that you believe a Buddhist will be saved w/o Jesus Christ? Not wanting to pick a fight, just wanting clarity on your statement.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Ron

I don't get it either, you feel it was sincere & that is your perogative, I felt other wise.

In the scheme of things really, I don't think he cares what you or I think one way or another.

I don't think he does either...I was just addressing your point, or trying to figure out your point about it being scripted and rehearsed...

SO I said, what if it was? How does that make it insincere or an act?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Barb

I don't think he does either...I was just addressing your point, or trying to figure out your point about it being scripted and rehearsed...

SO I said, what if it was? How does that make it insincere or an act?

One can question the sincerity, yes.
PR reps script these things to make the one who goofed look good.

If you did bad, better off to just come clean & speak from the heart.

IMO, he didn't come across as sincere.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Ron

What does Grace & Mercy have to do with this?
He don't need forgiveness from me, he didn't do anything to me at all.
It is his family that he has to answer to.

The question was aked at the start of this thread, what do you think of the Statement/Apology?

I said it seems insincere to me, (in so many words).

Pretty simple/

Grace and mercy has everything to do with it. If you can't show it, you won't get it. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. When we, who have been forgiven so much, are not able to believe someone when he publicly repents, we're in trouble.

The specific words he spoke were words of sorrow, repentance, responsibility, and he completely took the blame. With all due respect, Rev., who in the world are you to determine if another person is sincere? He said, "I ask you to find it in your heart to believe in me again." As an passionate Follower of Jesus Christ, I enthusiastically say, "Absolutely."

None of us should be attempting to qualify his sincerity.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Does that mean that you believe a Buddhist will be saved w/o Jesus Christ? Not wanting to pick a fight, just wanting clarity on your statement.

If Buddhists are in heaven, I won't be upset. In heaven, we'll be surprised by two things: 1) Who is there; and 2) Who isn't.

I know a few Buddhists and they all are pursuing God and pursuing a spiritual journey. I respect that. I also know people that have reached Jesus Christ by following Buddhist principles.

I passionately believe in Jesus Christ for my salvation. But I don't believe Buddhism is an "empty cistern" as you called it. Buddhist principles are sound and fairly well completely in line with the principles of Jesus Christ. When one follows the principles of Jesus Christ, through any form, one will make great strides forward.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Ron

One can question the sincerity, yes.
PR reps script these things to make the one who goofed look good.

If you did bad, better off to just come clean & speak from the heart.

IMO, he didn't come across as sincere.

Not trying to be argumentative or belabor a point, but how do YOU know he wasn't speaking from the heart?

When my father passed, he had made stipulation in writing before hand that he wanted his oldest child to speak at the service...that was me.

Because it was going to be a difficult thing to do, and because I did not want to forget anything important I wanted to say, I wrote it out ahead of time. I even practiced speaking it...and I sincerely meant every word of it.

So I'm asking, how do YOU know someone wrote it for him and he wasn't speaking from the heart?

AGAIN, Ron, I watched it with my own eyes...I looked at the man's expressions and mannerisms.

I could be as wrong as wrong can be, but I felt his pain and sincerity, and it wasn't based on hearing his voice and words, but was by SEEING it with my own eyes.

The point is...I don't know for FACT he wrote it himself and wasn't acting, but YOU don't know for FACT he was.

And until you have proof otherwise, you are making an unjust judgment based on what you HEARD.

If you felt he didn't mean a word if it, fine...that's your opinion.

But to say it was scripted by someone else or an act, and make it seem FACT is a judgment we aren't qualified to make.

We REALLY don't know...do we?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Barb

Not trying to be argumentative or belabor a point, but how do YOU know he wasn't speaking from the heart?

When my father passed, he had made stipulation in writing before hand that he wanted his oldest child to speak at the service...that was me.

Because it was going to be a difficult thing to do, and because I did not want to forget anything important I wanted to say, I wrote it out ahead of time. I even practiced speaking it...and I sincerely meant every word of it.

So I'm asking, how do YOU know someone wrote it for him and he wasn't speaking from the heart?

AGAIN, Ron, I watched it with my own eyes...I looked at the man's expressions and mannerisms.

I could be as wrong as wrong can be, but I felt his pain and sincerity, and it wasn't based on hearing his voice and words, but was by SEEING it with my own eyes.

The point is...I don't know for FACT he wrote it himself and wasn't acting, but YOU don't know for FACT he was.

And until you have proof otherwise, you are making an unjust judgment based on what you HEARD.

If you felt he didn't mean a word if it, fine...that's your opinion.

But to say it was scripted by someone else or an act, and make it seem FACT is a judgment we aren't qualified to make.

We REALLY don't know...do we?

I will say what an old prophet yold me about twenty years ago, "do not mistake sympathy for compassion lest you crawl down in the gutter with them"

Sympathy & compassion are two different things.