Braided Hair, Expensive Clothing

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

... my aunt is a Pastor's wife who is apart of UPC and at their Church their allowed to cut their hair and everything but it has to be at a certain length. ...

There are differences of opinion on how "long" hair should be.

For men, some think that if it touches the upper ear it is long. Others think if it touches the collar it is long.

For women, some think "long" means "uncut" or unalterered in lengthy by burning, breaking, or cutting. Others consider hair long if it is generally longer than the hair on the men in the church.

[matthouston]

Originally Posted by DAII

1. Any UPC church that allows its women to cut their hair may will have a pastor that affirms every two years to the organization that he embraces, teaches and preaches the elements of the Holiness article of UPCI which CLEARLY speaks about uncut hair ... not long hair.

I don't know if their is a glow attached to lying.


2. Paul in 1st Cor. 11, Sister H says long hair is a woman's glory ... lower case .. meaning it is source of pride, beauty for her ... not God's Glory. You seem to have confused the two.

If the contention is that all our bodies bring glory to God than my elbows are just as beautiful but for whatever reason don't glow.

DAII, can you clarify your first point? I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

Also, I'm sorry to hear about your elbows. Haha. May I suggest anointed them with oil? I think that's the glow (or shine) we're looking for! HAHAHA.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by matthouston

It is not my intention to comment on every reply on here, but I had to respond to this one.

It bothers me that you would use the word "allowed". That's a huge problem with the UPC - congregations look to their pastor for "rules", instead of going to the Word of God. People blindly follow and wait for the pastor to tell them why they do what they do.

Also, how can a church specify the length? The Bible doesn't even specify a length - it just says LONG. Some people have very thin hair that, even if never cut, won't grow much further than their shoulder blades. How can a church specify a length? That blows my mind!

I agree there are some that try to ride the UPC coattail to heaven and don't realize there are MANY MANY MANY Christians that will make it to Heaven never having heard of the UPC. It's also sad to say some UPC may not make it, themselves.

Also, the Bible doesn't say the hair is "God's Glory." The scripture says "it's a glory to her."

One more thing - can someone please find the word GLOW in the Bible? I sure can't. Let's stop adding to the Word, please!

I think the elusive and ethereal "glow" helps this subculture legitimize its rule and identity ...

Personally, nothing lights up a room more than a smile.

[matthouston]

Originally Posted by Sam

There are differences of opinion on how "long" hair should be.

For men, some think that if it touches the upper ear it is long. Others think if it touches the collar it is long.

For women, some think "long" means "uncut" or unalterered in lengthy by burning, breaking, or cutting. Others consider hair long if it is generally longer than the hair on the men in the church.

Exactly. I can't imagine that long means one thing for men and one thing for women. God is not the author of confusion and I think it was His intention for their to be a clear distinction between the length of hair on men and women.

If "Long" means "Uncut", that means I (as a man) could have hair down to the middle of my back, as long as I trim it. My trimming it would make it "not long" and I would not be going against the scripture.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Why, if broidered means without gold or jewels woven in, does the verse read:
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
To read it as we so often interpret it, the verse says (paraphrase):
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with hair with gold or jewels woven in, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Why would Paul repeat himself? Broidered hair must mean more than that, or Paul wouldn't have needed to list gold again immediately after.

Great analysis Mary.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

Well I don't know im not a part of an organization...I am just independent.
But my aunt is a Pastor's wife who is apart of UPC and at their Church their allowed to cut their hair and everything but it has to be at a certain length. Some UPC churches don't preach or speak about the womens hair and how it is supposed to be uncut because it's our Glory! If it is God's Glory than of course it will have a glow because it is from God! Now I don't know what your Church preaches but us independents believe that it is something special so yes it does have it's own 'Glory Glow' if I could put it like that. In my opinion if you didn't know this or are shocked to hear about it im sorry to say but UPC is going downhill....A Organization won't get ya to heaven just remember that. So if your in a UPC Church because it is UPC then that's not what's gonna get ya to heaven it's gonna be how you choose to follow what's right.
This is my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone by it. If I have please forgive me.

I'm independent, go to a conservative church, and have never cut my hair.

But my hair does NOT have a glow (although certain shampoos promise one), doesn't give me any special glow or powers.

Where does the Bible say my hair is GOD'S glory? It says it's MY glory, which means it's beautiful.

I'm getting so TIRED of hair worship!!!!!!

[Sis.Huanosto]

Originally Posted by matthouston

Supposed to STAND OUT? Where is that in the Bible? The very scripture I'm talking about uses the words "shamefacedness" and "sobriety". I challenge you to look up the original Greek words for those and see if you get the feeling that you should be STANDING OUT.

Question: How can the FIRST THING people notice be your UNCUT hair if it's piled on your head and braided?

I'm not a woman, but I have a wonderful, Godly life. She is the epitome of Godliness and modesty. We have had this conversation many times, and the first thing she wants people to notice when they see her is GOD, not her hair. Why would you want people to notice your for your hair, rather than your walk with God?

One more thing, my wife has beautiful, long hair. It's not uncut, but she definitely has a Godly glow to her. (Ps: God still answers her prayers!)

It is not exactly in the Bible it would be common sense to say that since it is God's Glory it does have a glow in it's own self. We have the Holy Gost Glow but we also have our Glory which is or Hair which is God's Glory so yes it does Glow!
If it's down most people won't think much of it...oh it's down and very long...and im not saying that wearing it down is wrong.And yes when we let it down powerful things happen! There's been a time where I let my hair down and layed it across my Husbands back and his back was healed! Our Gloy is powerful! So what's wrong with wearing it up? It actually is a good way to witness to peope if I don't say. People are always asking did you just come from church? Then it turns into "hey maybe you would want to visit this church". "Sure" Then they ask for directions and they come! No im not saying that, that happens all the time but it does happen! So what's wrong with wearing our hair up or down? There is nthing wrong with it! As long when a women wears there hair down it dosen't look worldy. But we are suppose to stand out and be apart from the world....were suppose to look different. So there's nothing wrong with wearing it down or up. As long as it dosen't look worldy!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by matthouston

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If "Long" means "Uncut", that means I (as a man) could have hair down to the middle of my back, as long as I trim it. My trimming it would make it "not long" and I would not be going against the scripture.

I agree. If "long" means uncut/untrimmed for women it would for men also. And if a sister has hair to her ankles but trims the ends that makes it "shorn" then a man could wear his to the ankles and trim the ends to have "shorn" or "short" hair.

Just the one letter difference between shorn and short does make a difference, just like those poor monks years ago that confused celebate with celebrate.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by matthouston

DAII, can you clarify your first point? I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

Also, I'm sorry to hear about your elbows. Haha. May I suggest anointed them with oil? I think that's the glow (or shine) we're looking for! HAHAHA.

The Holiness article of the UPCI, was amended in 1954 with this final paragraph... 9 years after the merger. It reads:

We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing or swimming, women cutting their hair, make-up, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church.

With the passage of the Westberg resolution in 1992, a license minister is obligated to sign a yearly affirmation of the Fundamental Doctrine and Holiness Articles, from the Articles of Faith, before their licenses can be renewed. In 1998, the requirement was changed to signing this affirmation every two years. Ministers in Australia do not have to sign this affirmation.

This affirmation states that a minister believes, teaches, preaches and embraces all of the Holiness article ... which includes the aforementioned paragraph ...

Here is the affirmation language:

(Minister’s name), do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International.

I also believe and embrace the holiness standards of the United Pentecostal Church International as set forth in said Articles of Faith, and I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same.

If a licensed pastor is allowing this I would have to think he is not teaching women cannot cut their hair.

Thus, lying on his AS.

I think this would apply to TV as well.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

It is not exactly in the Bible it would be common sense to say that since it is God's Glory it does have a glow in it's own self. We have the Holy Gost Glow but we also have our Glory which is our Hair which is God's Glory so yes it does Glow!

Scripture, please?