Braided Hair, Expensive Clothing - Page 2

matthouston · #11 02-20-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Barb

The Scripture reads...

1 Tim 2:9

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair...KJV

Not braided, but broided...it simply means intertwining the hair with gold and jewels.

It is not a sin to braid the hair or to put it up...

I think it's always scary to read the Bible, fitting it to what we do, rather than reading the Bible, expecting it to challenge us and make us change our ways. I think Pentecostals always lean back on that "truth" saying - refusing to admit we may have some things wrong.

How can broided mean intertwined with gold and jewels when the scripture says:

"...not with broided hair, OR gold, OR pearls, OR costly array."
Plain grammar show that it would need to say "...broided hair, WITH gold, OR pearls, OR costly array"

Also, the greek word is Plegma and it means "what is woven, plaited or twisted together; of a net; of a basket; of BRAIDED HAIR."

RandyWayne · #12 02-20-2010, 10:07 AM

And to read 1 Tim even more correctly it is simply stating not to RELY on such things for your "attractiveness". It reminds me of all the times that someone proclaimed exercise as "sinful" because it "profit little".

It looks like Mr. Steinway said the exact same thing -although much more elegantly.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

The New Living Translation states it best:

1Ti 2:9 And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

1Ti 2:10 For women who claim to be devoted to God should make themselves attractive by the good things they do.

The true meaning of these verses (IMO) is that verse 10 is more important than verse 9! He is saying that women go to extremes sometimes to make themselves look beautiful and attractive on the outside, but it would be better if they focused more on being attractive from the inside.

Sister Alvear · #13 02-20-2010, 10:08 AM

Randy...that is so funny....

Sister Alvear · #14 02-20-2010, 10:11 AM

Most of the time those that harp on certain things have problems far deeper than gold or silver....(not speaking of any post here but of a lifetime in the church and observing)

matthouston · #15 02-20-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

I agree with Barb...My Bible says broided and I read KJV.
A womens hair is her glory something that is suppose to stand out and look beutiful.
One thing that people notice when they look at me or other women with beutiful non-cut hair is that when we go places the first thing they notice is our hair. I either wear it down because its so long that it's hard to find a decent hairstyle with hair to my knees...but they look at us and say wow theres something about her...there is always a glow to us...and when we wear it up they say wow again....It's beutiful and it's something that has its own God given glow to it!
So yes we can wear our hair as pretty up as we want because of course we want people to know that it's our glory! And it's God given!

Supposed to STAND OUT? Where is that in the Bible? The very scripture I'm talking about uses the words "shamefacedness" and "sobriety". I challenge you to look up the original Greek words for those and see if you get the feeling that you should be STANDING OUT.

Question: How can the FIRST THING people notice be your UNCUT hair if it's piled on your head and braided?

I'm not a woman, but I have a wonderful, Godly life. She is the epitome of Godliness and modesty. We have had this conversation many times, and the first thing she wants people to notice when they see her is GOD, not her hair. Why would you want people to notice your for your hair, rather than your walk with God?

One more thing, my wife has beautiful, long hair. It's not uncut, but she definitely has a Godly glow to her. (Ps: God still answers her prayers!)

Sis.Huanosto · #16 02-20-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Above & Beyond

I realized I sounded combative with my statement. Just shocked. I was in UPC for about 30 years and never heard about this glow before.

Well I don't know im not a part of an organization...I am just independent.
But my aunt is a Pastor's wife who is apart of UPC and at their Church their allowed to cut their hair and everything but it has to be at a certain length. Some UPC churches don't preach or speak about the womens hair and how it is supposed to be uncut because it's our Glory! If it is God's Glory than of course it will have a glow because it is from God! Now I don't know what your Church preaches but us independents believe that it is something special so yes it does have it's own 'Glory Glow' if I could put it like that. In my opinion if you didn't know this or are shocked to hear about it im sorry to say but UPC is going downhill....A Organization won't get ya to heaven just remember that. So if your in a UPC Church because it is UPC then that's not what's gonna get ya to heaven it's gonna be how you choose to follow what's right.
This is my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone by it. If I have please forgive me.

missourimary · #17 02-20-2010, 10:20 AM

If the first thing people notice is our hair, are we calling attention to ourselves and what we can do, or to God and what He has done? Which would God prefer?

On the other hand, hair style is a part of an identity of many groups. think mohawks, brightly dyed, bleached blonde... each scenario gives many people an immediate mental image of what the person must be like.

Sam · #18 02-20-2010, 10:27 AM

In my opinion, 1 Timothy 2:9-10 and 1 Peter 3:3-5 are complementary and say the same thing. Styling hair, wearing jewelry, and wearing apparel/clothing is not wrong. What's spoken against there is the emphasis on the outer instead of the inner.

The Living Bible, which came out about 40 years ago translates them this way:

And the women should be the same way, quiet and sensible in manner and clothing. Christian women should be noticed for being kind and good, not for the way they fix their hair or because of their jewels or fancy clothes. 1 Timothy 2:9-10 from The Living Bible

Don't be concerned about the outward beauty that depends on jewelry, or beautiful clothes or hair arrangement. Be beautiful inside, in your hearts, with the lasting charm of a gentle and quiet spirit which is so precious to God. 1 Peter 3:3-4

Peter uses Sarah as an example of the holiness he is speaking about. We don't have an account in the Scriptures that says anything about Sarah's manner of dressing. We do, however, have an account of when Abraham sent his servant to choose a bride for his son Isaac. He sent along jewelry -a nose ring and a couple of bracelets. So, from this we deduce that the ladies in Abraham's family wore jewelry. See Genesis chapter 24

DAII · #19 02-20-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

Well I don't know im not a part of an organization...I am just independent.
But my aunt is a Pastor's wife who is apart of UPC and at their Church their allowed to cut their hair and everything but it has to be at a certain length. Some UPC churches don't preach or speak about the womens hair and how it is supposed to be uncut because it's our Glory! If it is God's Glory than of course it will have a glow because it is from God! Now I don't know what your Church preaches but us independents believe that it is something special so yes it does have it's own 'Glory Glow' if I could put it like that. In my opinion if you didn't know this or are shocked to hear about it im sorry to say but UPC is going downhill....A Organization won't get ya to heaven just remember that. So if your in a UPC Church because it is UPC then that's not what's gonna get ya to heaven it's gonna be how you choose to follow what's right.
This is my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone by it. If I have please forgive me.

1. Any UPC church that allows its women to cut their hair will have a pastor that affirms every two years to the organization that he embraces, teaches and preaches the elements of the Holiness article of UPCI which CLEARLY speaks about uncut hair ... not long hair.

I don't know if their is a glow attached to lying.

2. Paul in 1st Cor. 11, Sister H says long hair is a woman's glory ... lower case .. meaning it is source of pride, beauty for her ... not God's Glory. You seem to have confused the two.

If the contention is that all our bodies bring glory to God than my elbows are just as beautiful but for whatever reason don't glow.

matthouston · #20 02-20-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sis.Huanosto

Well I don't know im not a part of an organization...I am just independent.
But my aunt is a Pastor's wife who is apart of UPC and at their Church their allowed to cut their hair and everything but it has to be at a certain length. Some UPC churches don't preach or speak about the womens hair and how it is supposed to be uncut because it's our Glory! If it is God's Glory than of course it will have a glow because it is from God! Now I don't know what your Church preaches but us independents believe that it is something special so yes it does have it's own 'Glory Glow' if I could put it like that. In my opinion if you didn't know this or are shocked to hear about it im sorry to say but UPC is going downhill....A Organization won't get ya to heaven just remember that. So if your in a UPC Church because it is UPC then that's not what's gonna get ya to heaven it's gonna be how you choose to follow what's right.
This is my opinion and I hope I haven't offended anyone by it. If I have please forgive me.

It is not my intention to comment on every reply on here, but I had to respond to this one.

It bothers me that you would use the word "allowed". That's a huge problem with the UPC - congregations look to their pastor for "rules", instead of going to the Word of God. People blindly follow and wait for the pastor to tell them why they do what they do.

Also, how can a church specify the length? The Bible doesn't even specify a length - it just says LONG. Some people have very thin hair that, even if never cut, won't grow much further than their shoulder blades. How can a church specify a length? That blows my mind!

I agree there are some that try to ride the UPC coattail to heaven and don't realize there are MANY MANY MANY Christians that will make it to Heaven never having heard of the UPC. It's also sad to say some UPC may not make it, themselves.

Also, the Bible doesn't say the hair is "God's Glory." The scripture says "it's a glory to her."

One more thing - can someone please find the word GLOW in the Bible? I sure can't. Let's stop adding to the Word, please!