Oneness is NOT a cult!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Justin

As far as I understand... a "person of the Trinity" and a "manifestation of God" is very similar in terminology, except Trinitarians believe that each "person" or "manifestation" of God is a different "being", and these three "beings" are the make up of the Godhead.

No they are entirely 2 different things.

A Person is manifested (manifest means revealed).

They do not believe three persons have three manifestations., They believe each is simply a person, an individual self.

Oneness teaches one Person has three manifestations of Himself

Also they do NOT believe each manifestation is God in a different being.

They believe God is one BEING that is tripersonal

To say three beings is to espouse tritheism. Trinitarianism on paper teaches one being

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, can someone explain what Oneness doctrine is as compared to Trinitarian doctrine and are there any accepted documents that summarize the Oneness position.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/trinoneness.htm

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/ugstsymposium.htm

There are tons of other articles, particularly that would explain the verse you posted as it relates to Oneness.,

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sherri

All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!

This is a strange thing to say, Sherri. Are you saying that you don't really know? Isaiah 9:6 is pretty plain.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

No contradiction. When I give thanks to Jesus, I give thanks to the Father.
WHEN i bow knee to the Lord Jesus, I bow to the Father. Because in Jesus the fullness of the godhead dwells.

Bow and pray to a tri-theon? not gonna happen... ever.
I worship the one God of Israel, The I am that I am. His name is Jesus. You see anything else, you BeenThinkin too much.

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Oddly enough my view of the godhead is the one thing that didn't change way back in 1987 when I went Pentecostal from the quasi-catholic, quasi-agnostic state.

When I pray, I have yet to ask the Father for a single thing (Why not?) ... I talk to the one to whom all power is given. When I have a need, I have yet to call on the Holy Ghost, though I know that the Holy Ghost is in me, which is the Spirit of Christ, I talk to Jesus.

I don't understand your explanation. You say one minute you're not, never have, prayed to the Father, then say you did when you prayed to Jesus.

What's wrong with what Jesus said?

Matthew 6:9* ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10* Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11* Give us this day our daily bread.
12* And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13* And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

According to you He should have said, Matthew 6:9* ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Jesus which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10* Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11* Give us this day our daily bread.
12* And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13* And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Still Thinkin

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Ever hear different "oneness professionals" get into a debate? You will think the sky is purple and the oceans are pink and that one plus one equals 5 within no time. And then to think that SOME of these people put salvational status on proper oneness understanding is even more incredible.

I thought I had a pretty good understanding of "oneness" but reading some of the arguments back and forth among "oneness" folks here on this forum, the way they speak to one another, the way they put one another down, the terms and words used, I wonder if there is such a thing as a "oneness" doctrine. Does each of us have our own private "oneness" doctrine?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Justin

As far as I understand... a "person of the Trinity" and a "manifestation of God" is very similar in terminology, except Trinitarians believe that each "person" or "manifestation" of God is a different "being", and these three "beings" are the make up of the Godhead.

This is a quote by Daniel Segraves from his blog. It is dated January 20, 2009.

Daniel Segraves is Assistant Professor of Biblical Theology at Urshan Graduate School of Theology (Florissant, MO) and Professor Emeritus at Christian Life College (Stockton, CA). He is a minister with the United Pentecostal Church.

The word "person" has changed its meaning since the third century when it began to be used in connection with the "threefoldness of God". When we talk about God as a person, we naturally think of God as being one person. But theologians such as Tertullian, writing in the third century, used the word "person" with a different meaning. The word "person" originally derives from the Latin word "persona", meaning an actor's face-mask- and, by extension, the role which he takes in a play.

By stating that there were three persons but only one God, Tertullian was asserting that all three major roles in the great drama of human redemption are played by the one and the same God. The three great roles in this drama are all played by the same actor: God. Each of these roles may reveal God in a somewhat different way, but it is the same God in every case. So when we talk about God as one person, we mean one person in the modern sense of the word, and when we talk about God as three persons, we mean three persons in the ancient sense of the word...Confusing two senses of the word "person" inevitably leads to the idea that God is actually a committee..

This is part of a blog titled Oneness-Trinitarian Pentecostal Dialogue which can be found at
http://danielsegraves.blogspot.com/2...ntecostal.html

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Oddly enough my view of the godhead is the one thing that didn't change way back in 1987 when I went Pentecostal from the quasi-catholic, quasi-agnostic state.

I wasn't quite sure I believed in any god at all, but if I was going to, Jesus was leading the alternatives by a mile.

I am not that sure that many folks in Christianity today outside of catholic theologians believe the Athanasian creed as it is written as that is tritheistic in the extreme, yet the word "trinity" is a 1700 year old buzzword that folks still use because they don't know another. So in some cases, in many even, it does in fact boil down to semantics.

Bottom line is that Jesus is the express image of God, he was, and is, God manifested in the flesh. He is the only God we can see, visualize and grab ahold of. The scriptures are clear that Jesus is the ONLY vehicle through which salvation is obtainable.

When I pray, I have yet to ask the Father for a single thing... I talk to the one to whom all power is given. When I have a need, I have yet to call on the Holy Ghost, though I know that the Holy Ghost is in me, which is the Spirit of Christ, I talk to Jesus.

I do not see three separate co-equal beings running the show, just one single God manifested to us as Jesus Christ.

The fullness of God? We haven't begun to even scratch the surface of God's creation, and we are going to wrap our heads around the creator? what based on the observations and meditations of some centuries dead scholasr? Especially scholars who were empire-building using the vehicle of religion (Catholicism)? Not thinking so.

Jesus Christ is how God himself presented himself to us, gave us what we need to know to be saved, taught us his ways, gave us his word, sent his messengers forth, gave us his spirit. What more are we looking for?

The word says that in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily? How much more oneness can we get than that.

Sorry. No bonus offer attached to that. Jesus is it. Or hey, maybe there is... buy Jesus, get the Father and the Holy Ghost free, but the Father and the Holy Ghost can't be had without the Jesus offer.

I'm not a theologian. No desire to be. Don't know greek... no desire to learn it.

But I do know that God is able to show himself to me...and he showed me that I have access to everything he is through ONE Jesus.

Most excellent!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sherri

All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!

3?!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

3?!

Thank you.

[Praxeas]

In the 4th century they used the word hypostasis, which means substance or foundation, that which lies beneath.