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Old 03-11-2010, 07:26 PM
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They didn't have the Bible as we know it back then, so just wondering what they would have considered 'scripture' when he wrote that.
It took me a couple of minutes to figure out what you were asking! That's when I added the second sentence.
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Old 03-11-2010, 07:36 PM
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ALL scripture!!!!

Definitely the OT and I believe they might have known they were writing scripture at the time. 2 Peter 3:16, 1 Cor 14:37

Then perhaps Leviticus 26:7-9 "You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new" is an example of a practice we can teach doctrines of abstinence from?

And since we're talking OT, is it safe to assume that God is a "lady's man?"

1 Chronicles 3:1 "These sons of David were born to him in Hebron: the firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; second, Daniel (Chileab), of Abigail the Carmelitess;
2Third, Absalom the son of Maacah daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; fourth, Adonijah, of Haggith;

3Fifth, Shephatiah, of Abital; sixth, Ithream, of his wife Eglah...5These were born to [David] in Jerusalem: Shimea, Shobab, Nathan, Solomon--four of Bathshua (Bathsheba) daughter of Ammiel (Eliam);..."


9These were all the sons of David, besides the sons of the concubines. And Tamar was their sister"...coupled with...1 Samuel 13:14 "But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee."


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Old 03-11-2010, 07:41 PM
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Then perhaps Leviticus 26:7-9 "You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new" is an example of a practice we can teach doctrines of abstinence from?

And since we're talking OT, is it safe to assume that God is a "lady's man?"

1 Chronicles 3:1"These sons of David were born to him in Hebron: the firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; second, Daniel (Chileab), of Abigail the Carmelitess;
2Third, Absalom the son of Maacah daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; fourth, Adonijah, of Haggith;

3Fifth, Shephatiah, of Abital; sixth, Ithream, of his wife Eglah...5These were born to [David] in Jerusalem: Shimea, Shobab, Nathan, Solomon--four of Bathshua (Bathsheba) daughter of Ammiel (Eliam);..."


9These were all the sons of David, besides the sons of the concubines. And Tamar was their sister...coupled with...1 Samuel 13:14 "But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee."

What's your point?

1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come
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What's your point?

1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come

My point is that NFS has convinced me of the human element that tarnishes the Word of God.
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My point is that NFS has convinced me of the human element that tarnishes the Word of God.
What is NFS? is he related to Bart Ehrman?
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What is NFS? is he related to Bart Ehrman?

I don't know. He made a much better argument than I did though...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=27049

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They got mad at me when I asked for scriptures that support the "no jewelry" standard. They said I was a legalist, and that doctrine is not based on scripture alone.
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Holy tradition and ex cathedra teaching are of equal value and importance to the written Scriptures according to the Roman Catholic and the UPC denominations.
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I suppose I am confused as to how doctrine is formed.

I've always believed that my life is to be patterned after the Word. Growing up in Pentecostalism, that idea was pounded into me.

Isn't our doctrine formed by finding the real meaning of a passage and applying it to our lives?

Could you be more specific when you say "our?"

No, I'm not sure any one person, much less, an entire group can claim a complete understanding of pure truth in perfection. My "baseline" (reference) used to be the KJV, but even with that, I've noticed inconsistency and error in the translation; hence, I find myself navigating a spiritual highway full of potholes and speed bumps.

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Could you be more specific when you say "our?"

No, I'm not sure any one person, much less, an entire group can claim a complete understanding of pure truth in perfection. My "baseline" (reference) used to be the KJV, but even with that, I've noticed many inconsistencies and error in the translation; hence, I find myself navigating a spiritual highway full of potholes and speed bumps.
I would like to recommend you take this course online. It's free. All you have to do is watch some videos put out by Dallas Theological Seminary grads about the word of God. Don't let a couple of potholes that NFS put in your path trip you up.

Start with question 46 and go to question 91. Then come back and tell us what you think about inerrancy.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/?page_id=41

Or maybe you would rather read. Same people different venue:

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/?s=inerrancy
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ALL scripture!!!!

Definitely the OT and I believe they might have known they were writing scripture at the time. 2 Peter 3:16, 1 Cor 14:37
Did Jude think the Book of Enoch was scripture?

Jude 1:14-15
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