Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I do admit, this is a valiant response! I'm glad I didn't wound your ego so badly the last time that you would refrain from engaging in an exchange of wit when future opportunities would present themselves! Again, nice comeback!!!

You're so clever, hijo.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I more or less agree with that assessment. So now we are going to hear that none of these things are wrong?

EDIT: for the record 1a has nothing to do with HMH. That is a totally separate issue.

Exactly

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I am going to attempt to crystalize the three areas of concern. You may be able to add more, others may as well:

1.) What LS teaches:

1. A woman ought not cut her hair
2. A woman who does not cut her hair has power (authority, liberty, freedom) because of (by, through, or with) the angels (I think this is near an exact quote of LS).
3. A woman has access to authority in the spirit realm because of her obedeince in not cutting her hair that a man does not and cannot have

2.) Methods LS uses that are deemed objectionable

1. Allusions and references to witchcraft and occultic understanding of the hair
2. Multiplicitous andectodes referencing woman who have laid their hair out on people or prayer requests, resulting in affirmative responses from God on behalf of these prayers

3.)Actions of those that heard LS teaching this message

1. Women laying hair out over prayer requests
2. women laying hair out over people
3. Women in conferences letting their hair down and shaking it
4. Women appealing to God referencing their uncut hair in order to convince or pursuade God to answer their requests affirmatively
5. The phenomenon of women letting their hair down spreading to other areas of the fellowship

Do I have this correct, or am I missing something?

Are we all in agreement that this is the issue?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

You're so clever, hijo.

ROFL... they say that immitation is the highest form of flattery.... Good one!!!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are we all in agreement that this is the issue?

Sure.... I just wish it hadn't taken 20 pages to crystalize it. Lol... I think, as I responded to jfrog, there is a perfect storm scenario, that all these observances and concerns have independently contributed to what is being referred to as HMH.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Sure.... I just wish it hadn't taken 20 pages to crystalize it. Lol... I think, as I responded to jfrog, there is a perfect storm scenario, that all these observances and concerns have independently contributed to what is being referred to as HMH.

It didn't take that long. You asked several times what it was LS taught we disagreed with and each time several of us answered you then you'd ignore us and go "but they never say 'magic hair'".

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It didn't take that long. You asked several times what it was LS taught we disagreed with and each time several of us answered you then you'd ignore us and go "but they never say 'magic hair'".

You were the first to put it all together.... Prior to that, one would quote LS reference to occult.... I'd respond... Another would talk about how LS said women had power in their uncut hair... Another said LS was teaching women had wisdom and revelation men don't have because of the uncut hair, another comlained about women laying hair out over prayer requests.... Etc... And everyone keeps referring to it as "magic hair doctrine".... That's why I started the thread "what exactly is 'holy magic hair' doctrine", but instead of getting crystalized answers, I get harassed... Hopefully you can see my frustration!!!!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

You were the first to put it all together.... Prior to that, one would quote LS reference to occult.... I'd respond... Another would talk about how LS said women had power in their uncut hair... Another said LS was teaching women had wisdom and revelation men don't have because of the uncut hair, another comlained about women laying hair out over prayer requests.... Etc... And everyone keeps referring to it as "magic hair doctrine".... That's why I started the thread "what exactly is 'holy magic hair' doctrine", but instead of getting crystalized answers, I get harassed... Hopefully you can see my frustration!!!!

And hopefully ya can see our frustration!!!! You were arguing that all these things we just listed and codified were perfectly okay. You've argued that it is okay to reference the occult in the way he did, you have argued it is okay to say women have unique power and wisdom in the spiritual realm that is not available to men, you have also argued that it is okay for women to lay there hair on people and pray for them, and if I'm not mistaken you have argued that LS must have been misheard when some here brought accounts of women in various parts of the country believing and practicing these things.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

A few examples of the snipes over the last couple pages. Dizzy's was the only one I responded to, due to time constraints. I had intended to repond to phelps mindless posts as well.... I think it is unfortunate that I haven't yet. If he thought ge had something in my response to dizzy to take issue with, I am sure he really would have enjoyed my response to him!

My "sharp responses", as in the case of my response to dizzy that phelps took issue with, were merely reprisals. My MO generally is to match the rhetoric directed toward me. If your thoughtful, I'll be... If you want to play in the sandbox, I can and willdo that to! Problem is, some can't handle it, thus phelps insecurity in his accusations toward me of feelings of "superiority".... Just trying to be equitable here...

I really feel bad for you, BD. I seriously do. You are too blind to realize that our "swipes" at you were not even directed at 'you', but at your stance. You chose to make them personal. I have nothing left to say. Godspeed on your journey down life's path!

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

My guess is that Bob Dylan is a relatively young man who thinks he knows it all. Furthermore, he probably feels that its a disgrace to admit that he is wrong, so now he's working on this incredibly ridiculous defense of the indefensible just so he won't have to admit his error.

This is a sign of someone who is not quite confident enough with their own knowledge to be able to say "You're right, I'm wrong".

Hopefully, one day he'll get there, because one cannot be a great leader without the ability to admit that you may be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Add to my initial assessment of Bob Dylan a hearty dose of arrogance and superiority.

You have a lot to learn, my friend. Deflection of your own shortcomings with personal attacks on Dizzy's intelligence reveals your inner feelings of inferiority and uncertainty of your own belief.

From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.........we would all love to help you, but you're not allowing yourself to be helped.

So we all just have to sit back and watch the train as it speeds toward the abutment..........

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I really feel bad for you, BD. I seriously do. You are too blind to realize that our "swipes" at you were not even directed at 'you', but at your stance. You chose to make them personal. I have nothing left to say. Godspeed on your journey down life's path!

Phelps, if I'm blind, you're hallucinating. Your remarks had nothing to do with my positions, but were directed toward me personally. I have offered several well reasoned possibilities as to how LS teaching and preaching has brought about this so-called "magic hair" phenomenon. Jfrog and Prax both have handled my presentations thoughtfully and reasonably. You have not even addressed them, but have taken "swipes" at me personaly. No, I did not simply choose to take them personally, you made them personal when you named me. Now listen, I don't have a problem if you want to get personal, or enter into a verbal contest. I promise I can hold my own, and there is a high probability you'll end up looking like a pretzel. I have iterated to others that is not my desire, yet I have responded sharply to several past snipes, and can again. But if you insist to believe your hallucinations, that your "swipes" were not directed toward me, but my positions, here is proof otherwise! I will bold every time you identify me personally in the quotes above....

You stated clearly your assessment was of "Bob Dylan".... You could have just as easily said "my assessment of BD's positions..." but that is not what you were doing. As you said "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speakeh." I spoke sharply with several who have taken "swipes" at me. As I said before, I tend to match the rhetoric directed toward me. If a person reasonably and respectfully handles what I offer, they'll get the same in return. Take swipes at me or slight me personally, you'll get your bell rung! Such was my response to Dizzy that you took issue with, as well as a couple of my responses to you. Have it your way Phelps. If you want to discuss the issue, let's do it as reasonably and respectufully as you want. If you want to discuss me, you're barking up the wrong tree....