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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Maybe that's why people don't get "it." (I hate that terminology) They were seeking tongues. When I was 14 yrs old I began to seek after tongues and nothing happened. I did not attend or even know what an Apostolic church was. When I visited a UPC (9/17/97) my focus changed from seeking tongues to asking for the Holy Spirit. I was a low down dirty sinner at the age of 15. All I did was weep for three church services. On the evening of the third service I stopped weeping. I began to worship Jesus and I asked Him for the Holy Spirit. He answered the prayer.
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Hmmm.. psychological change-up.
Problem is, most believe they are seeking Jesus, but they also know the climax is tongues. The people praying with them are tarrying for one reason -- blab it out! Come on now.
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04-01-2010, 07:52 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
Memo to self: Refrain from other "non-biblical" words that help us communicate theology like soteriology, eschatology, missiology, pericopes, hermeneutics... let's just quote scripture. LOL Boy, those words really rubbed you in a funny way.
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04-01-2010, 07:55 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Hmmm.. psychological change-up.
Problem is, most believe they are seeking Jesus, but they also know the climax is tongues. The people praying with them are tarrying for one reason -- blab it out! Come on now.
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this post is troubling on so many levels... not the least of which that it's true.
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04-01-2010, 07:58 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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this post is troubling on so many levels... not the least of which that it's true.
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Oh bologna it's not true. Where do you think I spent 20 years of my life! My experience is as valid as yours. I was well-traveled in many churches, attended a LARGE congregation and I've seen it all. And yes, let's not act surprised that there are people who seek for YEARS. They are in every church, and you know it.
So don't act appalled. It's a culture we've created. People stand between hell and heaven, and are only assured of their salvation if they speak in tongues. That's an absurd reduction of the Gospel in unequivocal terms.
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04-01-2010, 08:03 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
Jeffrey, did you seek for years?
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04-01-2010, 08:26 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Thanks for taking the time to respond, Pel. Didn't want to ignore your post after you spent the time to type it out. I don't have much else to say on the subject. I will have to lean toward agreeing with MB on this one.
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Thanks, did you see my responses to what Mike had said? Any thoughts?
His whole attempt at wrestling with "works" is really a non sequitur in this discussion. I know that it is common to see it come up, however when we are considering "One Stepper" versus "Three Stepper" theology we have to keep in mind that none of those men were Calvinists.
Repentance is not a "work" in Pauline theology and neither is baptism. When Paul decries those who are advocating "works" he is talking about the "Works of the Law." Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was never considered a part of the "works of the Law," nor any other type of baptism for that matter.
Repentance and baptism are two different things and they accomplish different things - though they are obviously both going to related close to one another in time and in the experience of the convert to Christianity. Neither are "works" however until when a Calvinist comes into the room. "One Steppers" were never Calvinists and didn't really show any Calvinistic influences until rather recently after being push out by their "Three Stepper" brethren.
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04-01-2010, 08:29 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Oh bologna it's not true. Where do you think I spent 20 years of my life! My experience is as valid as yours. I was well-traveled in many churches, attended a LARGE congregation and I've seen it all. And yes, let's not act surprised that there are people who seek for YEARS. They are in every church, and you know it.
So don't act appalled. It's a culture we've created. People stand between hell and heaven, and are only assured of their salvation if they speak in tongues. That's an absurd reduction of the Gospel in unequivocal terms.
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I thought Hoovie was agreeing with you. 
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04-01-2010, 08:34 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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I thought Hoovie was agreeing with you. |
He was!... chip... shoulder... shoulder... chip 
No. Not in entirety. Lol. Hoovie was troubled that the post was true... and I think Hoovie was also troubled by the tone of the post. Hoovie can speak for self.
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04-01-2010, 08:52 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
Man I don't get any of this now. Berk and Jeff... maybe there is some sarcasm or something.
Guess I should not just pop in and respond like I did.
Let me just say I find it troubling that some "believe they are seeking Jesus, but they also know the climax is tongues" . BUT, I do believe that is a fairly common mindset.
Though I have spoken in tongues I cannot really identify with that.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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04-01-2010, 08:54 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
this post is troubling on so many levels... not the least of which that it's true.
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Oh bologna it's not true.
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He said "it's true". 
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