I thought so. I think there was other ways but the USA flexed it's muscles and those who pulled the trigger will come up in the Judgement and give an account for it.
Unless, of course, it actually does matter which side does it. Like it did in the OT, e.g.
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This makes Mayor Bloomberg look like the south end of a northbound donkey; that makes me smile. Don't care a bit for Bloomberg.
Not sure which is dumber ... Bloomberg ("If I had to guess...") suggesting it was a white guy with a beef against Obamacare; or the bomber himself using the wrong fertilizer.
This shows how dangerous the current crop of Liberal Leftists are to our freedoms. They have this stereotype of "conservatives" as being bent upon violence; yet it is the "conservatives" who have been repeatedly the victimes of violence.
... meanwhile, don't anyone dare to conclude the obvious about the placement of the Times Square bomb and the manner in which it was constructed.
And now you're a step ahead of me! Congratulations!
Actually, where I was originally going with this was WWII. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo (fire bombings). No denying there was targeting of civilians. I know all the arguments: it was done to end the war, many more would have died, yada yada. Well? So? Was there really no other way? Really?
Prior to the outbreak of the Second World War there was a great deal of writing and discusion in international conferences about the future potential "targeting cities" in a time of war. The Nazis had successfully pioneered that tactic in the Spanish Civil War.
The word "terrorism" was already in common usage long before the Second World War. The "terrorist" in those terms was simply a "soldier" fighting without a uniform nor insignia in violation of the Geneva Accords.
Thus, prior to WW2 we already had a definition for a "terrorist" that was defined by international agreement. And, we had the "targeting of cities" (the term used then) as a military tactic. Given the imprecision of bombs in those days civilian casualties were understood unless precautions were made by the local authorities, such as mass evacuations and the construction of bomb shelters.
Harry Truman does not fit the category of a "terrorist" for Hiroshima and Nagasaki because leaflets and radio broadcasts were sent out before hand warning that the cities were to be destroyed. The Japanese authorities refused to order or to even allow an evacuation because they felt that this would be a sign of weakness and cause them to loose their control of the nation.
There was simply no way for the American commanders to know if their warnings had been heeded. And, despite two nuclear detonations the Japanese military still was defiant and refused to surrended and even attempted a coup against the Emperor himself in order to prevent him from surrendering. So, yeah... "I guess there was no other way."
And yes, I would "deny that they were 'targeting civilians.'" They were targeting the cities and the means of manufacture and transportation within a nation. "Targeting" civilians means that you have the civilians in your bullseye. You don't drop leaflets warning of an attack if you want your "target" to remain in your bullseye.
Prior to the outbreak of the Second World War there was a great deal of writing and discusion in international conferences about the future potential "targeting cities" in a time of war. The Nazis had successfully pioneered that tactic in the Spanish Civil War.
The word "terrorism" was already in common usage long before the Second World War. The "terrorist" in those terms was simply a "soldier" fighting without a uniform nor insignia in violation of the Geneva Accords.
Thus, prior to WW2 we already had a definition for a "terrorist" that was defined by international agreement. And, we had the "targeting of cities" (the term used then) as a military tactic. Given the imprecision of bombs in those days civilian casualties were understood unless precautions were made by the local authorities, such as mass evacuations and the construction of bomb shelters.
Harry Truman does not fit the category of a "terrorist" for Hiroshima and Nagasaki because leaflets and radio broadcasts were sent out before hand warning that the cities were to be destroyed. The Japanese authorities refused to order or to even allow an evacuation because they felt that this would be a sign of weakness and cause them to loose their control of the nation.
There was simply no way for the American commanders to know if their warnings had been heeded. And, despite two nuclear detonations the Japanese military still was defiant and refused to surrended and even attempted a coup against the Emperor himself in order to prevent him from surrendering. So, yeah... "I guess there was no other way."
And yes, I would "deny that they were 'targeting civilians.'" They were targeting the cities and the means of manufacture and transportation within a nation. "Targeting" civilians means that you have the civilians in your bullseye. You don't drop leaflets warning of an attack if you want your "target" to remain in your bullseye.
Thanks for the info, Pel.
Front side of OWI notice #2106, dubbed the "LeMay bombing leaflet," which was delivered to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and 33 other Japanese cities on 1 August 1945. The Japanese text on the reverse side of the leaflet carried the following warning:
"Read this carefully as it may save your life or the life of a relative or friend. In the next few days, some or all of the cities named on the reverse side will be destroyed by American bombs. These cities contain military installations and workshops or factories which produce military goods. We are determined to destroy all of the tools of the military clique which they are using to prolong this useless war. But, unfortunately, bombs have no eyes. So, in accordance with America's humanitarian policies, the American Air Force, which does not wish to injure innocent people, now gives you warning to evacuate the cities named and save your lives. America is not fighting the Japanese people but is fighting the military clique which has enslaved the Japanese people. The peace which America will bring will free the people from the oppression of the military clique and mean the emergence of a new and better Japan. You can restore peace by demanding new and good leaders who will end the war. We cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked but some or all of them will be, so heed this warning and evacuate these cities immediately."
(See Richard S. R. Hubert, "The OWI Saipan Operation," Official Report to US Information Service, Washington, DC 1946.)
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Prior to the outbreak of the Second World War there was a great deal of writing and discusion in international conferences about the future potential "targeting cities" in a time of war. The Nazis had successfully pioneered that tactic in the Spanish Civil War.
The word "terrorism" was already in common usage long before the Second World War. The "terrorist" in those terms was simply a "soldier" fighting without a uniform nor insignia in violation of the Geneva Accords.
Thus, prior to WW2 we already had a definition for a "terrorist" that was defined by international agreement. And, we had the "targeting of cities" (the term used then) as a military tactic. Given the imprecision of bombs in those days civilian casualties were understood unless precautions were made by the local authorities, such as mass evacuations and the construction of bomb shelters.
Harry Truman does not fit the category of a "terrorist" for Hiroshima and Nagasaki because leaflets and radio broadcasts were sent out before hand warning that the cities were to be destroyed. The Japanese authorities refused to order or to even allow an evacuation because they felt that this would be a sign of weakness and cause them to loose their control of the nation.
There was simply no way for the American commanders to know if their warnings had been heeded. And, despite two nuclear detonations the Japanese military still was defiant and refused to surrended and even attempted a coup against the Emperor himself in order to prevent him from surrendering. So, yeah... "I guess there was no other way."
And yes, I would "deny that they were 'targeting civilians.'" They were targeting the cities and the means of manufacture and transportation within a nation. "Targeting" civilians means that you have the civilians in your bullseye. You don't drop leaflets warning of an attack if you want your "target" to remain in your bullseye.
Harry S. Truman was one of our greatest presidents, he truly held to the ideals that he fully believed were best for the USA. Oh, for such Democrats today!!!! I am currently read "Truman" by David McCullough, huge book, over 1000 pages, I am about 600 into it. It is Truman's life, not just his presidency.
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I like that ..... Bubba Bin Ladin! You might be an Islamic Redneck if you attended Bubba Bin Ladin "So Long School," the good ol` boys school of Islamic Terrorism! That's funny!
BT
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.
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ahhhhh...and <sigh> so happy white rednecks in their 40's are off the hook - i need to come home next month and do not wish to be profiled / cavity searched at the airport! But seriously - gas cans, firecrackers? That setup had redneck stamped all over it.
No Wii. Just because the "red neck" kids play with fireworks and gasoline in the backyard (I did when I was a kid) doesn't mean that's the sort of stuff they "take to town."
I hope you have a good trip. If you need bail money just post here and I'll do what I can.
Anyone?
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