Let's talk about Baptism.

[seekerman]

Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?

maybe it means you are seeking something....

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?

Good point! For the very best chance of success, if you really want to use water, a baptism should consist of entering and exiting an ice cave.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sam

The Bible is silent as to whether Priscilla and Aquila ministered water and Spirit baptism to Apollos in contrast to its clarity in the case of Paul's ministry to those Ephesian Baptists.

That was not my point. Whatever the preached, they did not use the reference to hell. Even Paul did not mention hell, though, when speaking to the disciples of John. He that winneth souls is wise. Bringing up hell in such issues to people is unwise.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

If it didn't matter, Paul wouldn't have rebaptized the disciples of John in Jesus Name.

Because both baptism's were done by immersion in water.

Yes the baptizee must believe on Jesus, OBVIOUSLY. But the Baptizer must also Say in Jesus Name! It matters the name said over you.

Why else did Jesus command THEM to baptize in the name.... It mattered how they baptized the person....

What if the one doing the baptism is mute. Would that invalidate the baptism?

The gist of your "argument" seems to be that the most important point about water baptism is what the preacher (or whoever is doing it) says. Why is that? What Scripture can you give to support this required liturgy?

What if the preacher read Luke 24:44-48, and then turned to the gathered assembly and said, "...And that is what we are doing now!" And he then baptized a convert without saying another word? He's obviously doing the baptisms in Jesus name and under the authority given to believers by the NT. That's what doing something "in Jesus' name" means, not running around and saying "Gee-sus" in every breath. That's almost a violation of the 2nd Commandment.

Why do you propose a magical Neo-Egyptian liturgy where the officiant (like the priestess Isis of old) knew the "sacred name" and could deliver people from death by invoking that name?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.

Mr. Cox's rating goes up another notch. A well put response.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Good point! For the very best chance of success, if you really want to use water, a baptism should consist of entering and exiting an ice cave.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I used to sit and watch as Catholic apologists had Oneness Pentecostals for lunch. It was amazing. The OP's were completely confounded right out of the gate.

My favorite - and this is a good one for UltraCon and Mr. Cox - How can you guys claim to be "apostolics" if you don't even use the Bible the apostles used?

Roman Catholics at least use the same OT as the apostles.

How many quotes from the Apocrypha are found in the writings of the Apostles that we call our New Testament?

Please list each one separately with both the OT (apocryphal book name, chapter and verse) and the corresponding NT (canonical book name, chapter and verse).

[UltraCon]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The examples are endless that portray difficult and very dramatic outcomes of human beings on Earth. I will give you just one, and wonder if you will still type "Yeah" after considering the following:

Human trafficking is the second largest organized crime in this Country, behind illegal drugs. Children are kidnapped, drugged, and sold on the Black Market as "Sex Slaves". These children become victims, contracting deadly STD's such as AIDS during adolescence, leading to premature death.

They can die before they even reach the age of 20 from murder, drug overdose, and disease, never hearing the Gospel message you and I have heard.

Are these children going to Hell?

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

As cox said earlier,
Circumstances & "what's if's" don't change the word.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Sam

How many quotes from the Apocrypha are found in the writings of the Apostles that we call our New Testament?

Please list each one separately with both the OT (apocryphal book name, chapter and verse) and the corresponding NT (canonical book name, chapter and verse).

This is a interesting chart from a anti-christian website.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/lost_books.htm

The Lost Books of the Bible

Books Mentioned, But Not Found, In The Bible
There are twenty-two books mentioned in the Bible, but not included. The variation is due to possible double mentions using differing names for the same book.

Book of the Covenant
Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
There are those that believe the Book of the Covenant is found in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of the Wars of the Lord
Numbers 21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
Certain sources believe that this is to be found by drawing text from several Old Testament books. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

Book of Jasher Here We have the entire book on this site Here
Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes
1 Samuel 10:25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the Lord. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.

Book of Samuel the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

Nathan the Prophet
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Acts of Solomon
1 Kings 11:41 And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

Shemaiah the Prophet
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Prophecy of Abijah
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Story of Prophet Iddo
2 Chronicles 13:22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.

Visions of Iddo the Seer
2 Chronicles 9:29 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Iddo Genealogies
2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Book of Jehu
2 Chronicles 20:34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Sayings of the Seers Here
2 Chronicles 33:19 His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.

Book of Enoch Here
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Book of Gad the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

Epistle to Corinth Here
1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

Epistle to the Ephesians (Missing)
Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians (Missing)
Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Nazarene Prophecy Source
Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene

Acts of Uziah
2 Chronicles 26:22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

The Annals of King David
1 Chronicles 27:24 Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David.

Jude, the Missing Epistle
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.