Holiness Is Still Important - Page 16

*AQuietPlace* · #**151** 05-25-2010, 05:27 PM

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Do you know any Nazarite's? I haven't met one as long as I've been around.

The point being - why would God tell a woman to do something that was a SIN.... and not clarify that it was an exception, only to be done for this reason?

proudfather · #**152** 05-25-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

The point being - why would God tell a woman to do something that was a SIN.... and not clarify that it was an exception, only to be done for this reason?

He did clarify. This was part of the Nazarite vowl. Not everyone was a Nazarite. Absalom had long hair and look at where it got him. Should we just ignore Paul's teaching?

notofworks · #**153** 05-25-2010, 05:40 PM

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He did clarify. This was part of the Nazarite vowl. Not everyone was a Nazarite. Absalom had long hair and look at where it got him. Should we just ignore Paul's teaching?

Oh come on.....long hair wasn't Absalom's problem!

I've often wanted to take the Nazarite vow but no one will take me up on it!

Praxeas · #**154** 05-25-2010, 05:43 PM

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Please define long then. If Paul is not speaking about uncut hair, then how must we go about obeying this scripture? We must obey the scripture because:

2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

So, what do you teach? Just curious.

"Long Hair" comes from one word simply means "to wear long hair" or "to let the hair grow". Nothing in the text or the context suggests that to trim the hair is a sin.

Pressing-On · #**155** 05-25-2010, 05:44 PM

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He did clarify. This was part of the Nazarite vowl. Not everyone was a Nazarite. Absalom had long hair and look at where it got him. Should we just ignore Paul's teaching?

You lost me right there!

*AQuietPlace* · #**156** 05-25-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

He did clarify. This was part of the Nazarite vowl. Not everyone was a Nazarite. Absalom had long hair and look at where it got him. Should we just ignore Paul's teaching?

No, we don't ignore it, we study it in context and determine what his intent and meaning was.

And I think we do need to ask ourselves..... if God did not intend for women to cut their hair, why did he not mention it anywhere in the entire Old Testament, including the very detailed instructions in the law? Before Paul wrote his letter, how were women to know they weren't supposed to cut their hair (if that was what he was saying)? He didn't write that letter as if what he was saying to them was something new.

I really do believe that this is something we seriously need to ask ourselves, and not just wave that question away.

*AQuietPlace* · #**157** 05-25-2010, 05:50 PM

The children of Israel were captives in Egypt for a long time. We know from historical drawings that Egyptian women did cut their hair.

There were things that the pagans did that God specifically prohibited the Israelites from doing. Trimming the corners of their beard, etc. So, why didn't he mention - 'oh, yeah, and don't cut your hair like those Egyptian women, either!' But, he never mentioned it. In all seriousness, I'm asking - why did God neglect to tell his daughters that he did not want them to cut their hair??

(btw, my perspective comes from someone who has never cut their hair.

I just, after *much* study, don't believe it's a sin)

GraceAmazing · #**158** 05-25-2010, 07:49 PM

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Are you serious about letting people define their own standards? Yikes...I hope I'm misunderstanding you. If that's what you meant then...I have nothing else to say.

Are you saying that God can't convict people of things?? That only an organization or a church group can give the definitions?? I hope I'm misunderstanding YOU.....

edjen01 · #**159** 05-25-2010, 07:49 PM

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Do you know any Nazarite's? I haven't met one as long as I've been around.

I do know people who have felt called to take the Nazarite vowel.

But friend the point remains....would God instruct a person to commit a sin that would condemn them to hell? logic says "NO". then what about consistency of the text? did God change His mind regarding "hair...the long & short of it"?

Is there even the remote possibility that Paul could have been addressing a question/situation that we are not privy to?

Is it sound theology & hermeneutics to base a heaven & hell doctrine on a single passage?

Or could this maybe be the honest, heart felt conviction of a Godly person...who then pasted it along to others?

proudfather · #**160** 05-25-2010, 07:49 PM

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No, we don't ignore it, we study it in context and determine what his intent and meaning was.

And I think we do need to ask ourselves..... if God did not intend for women to cut their hair, why did he not mention it anywhere in the entire Old Testament, including the very detailed instructions in the law? Before Paul wrote his letter, how were women to know they weren't supposed to cut their hair (if that was what he was saying)? He didn't write that letter as if what he was saying to them was something new.

I really do believe that this is something we seriously need to ask ourselves, and not just wave that question away.

"Doth not even nature teach you" should tell you something about this passage. It shouldn't have been an issue, but some were seeking to argue about the matter. That's why Paul said, "We have no other custom that this". Jesus also taught some things that were not mentioned in the Old Test. such as looking upon a woman to lust after her. Need I go on?