Good evening visiting Pharisees, wolves and

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Rev

By the way, most of what I'm seeing today are pastors that don't preach against any sin that's mentioned in the bible (old gnostic doctrine - there is no sin) and call it loving the saints!

I haven't seen that. My pastor preaches against sin.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

What makes you think I missed anything? Maybe you should tell me what I missed. All I did was list some of the stuff I remember from the forum here. I believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no man can come to the Father but through His death. THIS is why I don't get where people think if a man wears short sleeves he is going to hell. Who in the world came up with that one?

You must have been around for a long time.

Where did you hear that?

I have been in Pentecost for over 30 years and have never heard that.

Many Pentecostal preachers teach their young minister that they should wear long sleeves.

They believe that if saints are to live holy the ministry should do more, thus the long sleeves.


And Jesus is the only saving name in the bible....

(Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is a commandment not a request.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Rev

As I already said, I don't know anyone that tries to do that.

Preaching against sin from the bible is not "lording it" over anyone.

And today that is exactly what people don't want.

Because the scripture is being fulfilled again which says....

II Ti 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

What would consider "lording it" over someone to look or sound like?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What would consider "lording it" over someone to look or sound like?

You tell me.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Rev

You must have been around for a long time.

Where did you hear that?

I have been in Pentecost for over 30 years and have never heard that.

Many Pentecostal preachers teach their young minister that they should wear long sleeves.

They believe that if saints are to live holy the ministry should do more, thus the long sleeves.

I don't remember reading that requirement in the books of Titus and Timothy. I don't recall anything about living to a higher level as a minister. Does that mean it is okay for the laity to drink, to have more than one wife, to not discipline their children...etc?

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Rev

And Jesus is the only saving name in the bible....

(Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is a commandment not a request.

Yes, it is a command. Read again, "be baptized every one of you" not, say this or that WHEN baptizing someone. WE need to have the baptism of Christ, not John's baptism, not some other baptism. Back then, baptism was something common among religion. It wasn't unique to Christianity. The person being baptized needs to be baptized in the name of Jesus, not have someone else say the name of Jesus for them. THEY need to be calling on Jesus for THEIR salvation.

Oh, by the way, I WAS baptized with someone saying all the right words before I went under. But I doubt God cared what they were saying, I think what mattered is what was going on inside of my heart. It is all about my salvation, not the person baptizing me.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Rev

You tell me.

You're the one who wrote, " As I already said, I don't know anyone that tries to do that." I thought you might know what it means since you said you didn't know anyone who does that.

What do I think it would look like? Someone who doesn't lead by example but drives the flock with rules and beats them with words.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Yes, it is a command. Read again, "be baptized every one of you" not, say this or that WHEN baptizing someone. WE need to have the baptism of Christ, not John's baptism, not some other baptism. Back then, baptism was something common among religion. It wasn't unique to Christianity. The person being baptized needs to be baptized in the name of Jesus, not have someone else say the name of Jesus for them. THEY need to be calling on Jesus for THEIR salvation.

Oh, by the way, I WAS baptized with someone saying all the right words before I went under. But I doubt God cared what they were saying, I think what mattered is what was going on inside of my heart. It is all about my salvation, not the person baptizing me.

(Acts 22:16) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're the one who wrote, " As I already said, I don't know anyone that tries to do that." I thought you might know what it means since you said you didn't know anyone who does that.

What do I think it would look like? Someone who doesn't lead by example but drives the flock with rules and beats them with words.

Are sins mentioned in the bible rules?

If a preacher preaches against the sins mentioned in the bible is he beating the saints with words?

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Acts 22:16) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

That's it!! Yessssss! The person getting baptized needs to call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!