Praying wrong?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The mystery of physical healing is NOT about discovering a technique or special prayer style. The real key is discovering and accepting the will and purpose of God.

That's correct. This is explained in 1 John 5:

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

So the key to successful prayer is to ask God to do things He wants to do. Simple! Works every time!

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Timmy

That's correct. This is explained in 1 John 5:

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

So the key to successful prayer is to ask God to do things He wants to do. Simple! Works every time!

Hahaha. Well played, sir.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I don't think so. He sure makes no apparent attempt on healing most people, even most people in the bible.

Really? In reading the NT Jesus never once refused to heal anyone of their physical condition

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Perhaps, but I would definitely view that from an eternal perspective.

It is his will that we all escape the pain, heartache and disappointments brought by a fallen nature and creation.

Yet the full realization of this comes in and through the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

Escaping that which is common to man is very much the exception to the rule, and not the normal experience of Christians. Most Christians get sick and eventually die as does the unbeliever, yet we mourn not like those without hope...

Im just looking at the life of Jesus. Jesus never failed to heal anyone ever that came to him wanting to be healed and had faith in Him. That is His character trait.

He is compassionate
Mat 9:35 And Jesus went throughout all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom and healing every disease and every affliction.
Mat 9:36 When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.
Mat 9:37 Then he said to his disciples, "The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few;
Mat 9:38 therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest."

And, he also wants us to do the same
Mat 10:1 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction.

His compassion not only led to him healing them all but feeding them physically
Mat 14:14 When he went ashore he saw a great crowd, and he had compassion on them and healed their sick.
Mat 14:15 Now when it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a desolate place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves."
Mat 14:16 But Jesus said, "They need not go away; you give them something to eat."
Mat 14:17 They said to him, "We have only five loaves here and two fish."
Mat 14:18 And he said, "Bring them here to me."

I believe the problem we face today is that we really don't believe Him like we should. For one thing, Jesus gave his disciples power. He gave the NT church gifts. What do we do today? With the exception of a few charismatics, we generally don't emphasize that. We don't encourage the building of faith. We don't encourage men and women to be consecrated for such works. People would rather watch American Idol than spend more time praying and fasting. It's not God's fault IMO

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Really? In reading the NT Jesus never once refused to heal anyone of their physical condition

The Samarian woman he refused. Of course she demonstrated a great amount of faith and he was presuaded otherwise. If she hadn't had had so great a faith what would have happened?

When he healed the man that waited at the pool of (I forgot the name), why was that man the only one he healed there?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The Samarian woman he refused. Of course she demonstrated a great amount of faith and he was presuaded otherwise. If she hadn't had had so great a faith what would have happened?

When he healed the man that waited at the pool of (I forgot the name), why was that man the only one he healed there?

He didn't refuse. She displayed faith and he healed her.,

That is what I said before. He never turned away those with faith. Im putting this in the context of the church of believer today, not unbelievers

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The Samarian woman he refused. Of course she demonstrated a great amount of faith and he was presuaded otherwise. If she hadn't had had so great a faith what would have happened?

When he healed the man that waited at the pool of (I forgot the name), why was that man the only one he healed there?

They didn't have faith perhaps? Do we know that was the only one he healed or was that just a notable story that the author thought was relevant to record?

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Yea when is the last time you seen that? When is the last time you seen anyone bold enough to command healing instead of the repetitive begging and pleading for God to come down and heal?? The apostles did not beg!

Oh how I wish I could get hold of the "video" from the teenagers phone that took pictures of our youth praying for people at Disney Land last year! They even had people that had just been prayed for pray for people in Jesus' name to be healed. Then their friends were being healed! It was incredible.

Then there are all the pictures of the many teams from our church that have been to Haiti....

Oh, never mind, our church isn't UPC. Oh well.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Timmy

That's correct. This is explained in 1 John 5:

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

So the key to successful prayer is to ask God to do things He wants to do. Simple! Works every time!

I think you see this as a "gotcha moment" but I agree!

Not only do I agree, but I believe a primary goal in prayer is to achieve the humility needed to accept the will of God and be content therein. Through this process we very likely will voice our desires, wants and needs, however, true contentment is not found in perfect health and wealth but total trust and reliance on our creator in spite of circumstance.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They didn't have faith perhaps? Do we know that was the only one he healed or was that just a notable story that the author thought was relevant to record?

Wake up and smell the roses. If he had healed more than that one then it would have been recorded right there.