Why Acts 2:38?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Romans 8, VERSE ONE: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

He is talking to people who are already saved. They also have been spirit filled.

Side note: I don't believe in OSAS. We must continue in the faith to be saved at the end of the day. (Acts 14:22; Colossians 1:23; I Timothy 2:15)

Romans 8:14 is a general verse about anyone that meets the condition of being led by the Spirit of God. It says that those led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. And so if they are sons of God then surely they are children of God. And if they they are children of God then they are heirs; heirs of God; and joint heirs with Christ; ... (Romans 8:17) And so since Cornelius was a child of God before his baptism by virtue of receiving the Holy Spirit and being led by it, then how can you say that he was not saved before baptism seeing as he was also a joint heir with Christ before being baptized?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Romans 8:14 is a general verse about anyone that meets the condition of being led by the Spirit of God. It says that those led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. And so if they are sons of God then surely they are children of God. And if they they are children of God then they are heirs; heirs of God; and joint heirs with Christ; ... (Romans 8:17) And so since Cornelius was a child of God before his baptism by virtue of receiving the Holy Spirit and being led by it, then how can you say that he was not saved before baptism seeing as he was also a joint heir with Christ before being baptized?

The operative word is "oughtest" in Acts 10:6. "ought" means "necessary".

Acts 10: "He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do."

He couldn't have been saved if there were things the angel told him were "necessary" for him. We find out he needed to, also, be spirit filled. (Acts 10:45-46).

Hiding in plain sight.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The operative word is "oughtest" in Acts 10:6. "ought" means "necessary".

Acts 10: "He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do."

He couldn't have been saved if there were things the angel told him were "necessary" for him. We find out he needed to, also, be spirit filled. (Acts 10:45-46).

Hiding in plain sight.

So they were joint heirs with Christ before being baptized but somehow not saved? Very interesting...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So they were joint heirs with Christ before being baptized but somehow not saved? Very interesting...

Q: To whom was the letter in Romans addressed?

A: Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Q: To whom was the letter in Romans addressed?

A: Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Q: Who does Romans 8:14 say meets the conditions to be the sons of God?
A: To as many as are led by the Spirit of God.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Q: Who does Romans 8:14 say meets the conditions to be the sons of God?
A: To as many as are led by the Spirit of God.

Q: Does Romans 1:7 address the saints that be in Rome in order to be in context with Acts 8:14?

A: Yes.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Q: Does Romans 1:7 address the saints that be in Rome in order to be in context with Acts 8:14?

A: Yes.

Example:

To PO, as many as are Christians, they pray.
To AFF, as many as are Christians, they pray.
To the saints at Rome, as many as are Christians, they pray.
To the sinners, as many as are Christians, they pray.

Such a statement is true regardless of who is being spoken to. In fact, who is being spoken to is irrelevant for the context of such a statement because the statement means the same thing regardless of who is being spoken to. Romans 8:14 is set up with this same structure and thus would mean the same thing regardless if it was being said to the saints at Rome or the sinners at Rome.

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Romans 8:14 is a general verse about anyone that meets the condition of being led by the Spirit of God. It says that those led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. And so if they are sons of God then surely they are children of God. And if they they are children of God then they are heirs; heirs of God; and joint heirs with Christ; ... (Romans 8:17) And so since Cornelius was a child of God before his baptism by virtue of receiving the Holy Spirit and being led by it, then how can you say that he was not saved before baptism seeing as he was also a joint heir with Christ before being baptized?

cornelius obviously had a heart for god and was walking in everything he knew,but he needed a little more he needed to be baptized in jesus name and to be filled with gods spirit thats why he sent peter to cornelius god spirit will guide us into all truth and he meets each and everyone where we are at

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by faithit166

cornelius obviously had a heart for god and was walking in everything he knew,but he needed a little more he needed to be baptized in jesus name and to be filled with gods spirit thats why he sent peter to cornelius god spirit will guide us into all truth and he meets each and everyone where we are at

Why is it that no one will address the fact that Romans 8:14 and 8:17 make it clear that Cornelius was a joint heir with Christ the moment he was filled with the Spirit and began to be led by it? Why is it that no one will address how he can be a joint heir with Christ but not be saved?

[faithit166]

cornelius was a joint heir after he was baptized in jesus name and filled with the holy ghost but no where does it say he was before