NOW, When Is Someone Saved? - Page 11

Pressing-On · #**101** 10-24-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

eeh. lets just go with "Im a christian, i mean I believe in Jesus..."

LOL! Yeah, well, it did begin somewhere on those lines. LOL!

kayl · #**102** 10-24-2010, 04:55 PM

Why do people argue over this stuff?

sandie · #**103** 10-24-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

That actually was James who said that, and he was referencing a person choosing to pray for the need of another rather than just filling the need themselves. It has nothing, neither directly nor indirectly, to do with anything relating to salvation.

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

sandie · #**104** 10-24-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kayl

Why do people argue over this stuff?

Is it arguing? I'm having a very nice discussion.
Isn't that what these forums are for? Just saying....

notofworks · #**105** 10-24-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

Yes, faith without works is dead. Faith, if it has not become active, if all it does is sit there and hope for the best, pass by a hungry person and say, "Be well and be fed", it is dead.

There is nothing here, veiled or principled, that relates to salvation and it always amazes me when someone uses it here. You all must have attended the same indoctrination seminar.

notofworks · #**106** 10-24-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kayl

Why do people argue over this stuff?

Because good comes of it. I can provide a list of names of those who have seen the light.

Jeffrey · #**107** 10-24-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Romans 6:1-4

If you are dead to sin by being buried in baptism, how are you saved at repentance alone? Wouldn't you "walk in newness of life" if you were saved? Romans says that you "walk in newness of life" after we are raised like as Christ was raised from the dead.

How is Christ raised? By the Spirit.

"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:11

We need to be filled with His Spirit to walk in newness of life. It begins with repentance, but doesn't stop there.

Looks like I'm sticking with Acts 2:38 (Repent AND be baptized...for the remission of sins...) and the badly termed "3-stepper" doctrine.

I'm glad you referenced Romans 6, PO. Preceding this verse, Paul really describes the Grace of God. He does it so forcefully and clearly, that he has to make assurances to the nervous Jews that this does not equal lawlessness and people living for themselves, but rather people living fully unto Christ, because they are in Christ. Paul's description here of Baptism, is in the context of why we shouldn't (or wouldn't) continue to sin. It's not a systematic study of baptism, and in fact is only pulled in as part of this point.

Amen. The Spirit dwelling in us is the same Spirit that leads us, guides us, speaks to us, comes alongside us, comforts us, empowers us, called us to grace and will call us home.

Jeffrey · #**108** 10-24-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

eeh. lets just go with "Im a christian, i mean I believe in Jesus..."

Yeah, that whole believing in Jesus thing is so whimpy. I mean, ANYONE can believe in Jesus (disregarding no one can even confess he is LORD except by the Spirit) and we can't have it that easy. People need to jump through more hoops than that. I mean, the gift he has given us is like a rebate... yeah, you get some cash, but first you have to send it back within 30 days. *rolls eyes*

Case-in-point: this isn't about baptism or spirit baptism, it's about a distorted view of what God's grace really is. Get acquainted with the Story. He found you. He called you. He saved you. He even gave us the ability to believe. That was accounted as righteousness.

Jeffrey · #**109** 10-24-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kayl

Why do people argue over this stuff?

Yeah, that salvation and Gospel stuff is the dumbest thing to discuss and make sure you got it right!

Praxeas · #**110** 10-24-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

I stand corrected. Thanks.
And yes I actually do remember the context of it being said.
He James, NOT Paul...(looks at floor and shuffles feet...) also said, faith without works is dead.
Faith is faith, is it not? I can't reconcile seperating one faith from another.
Hope that makes sense.

He James....You Sandie?