Apostolic Identity??

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Funny. I'm trying to get someone "in the know" to talk to me about it and no one is. So, I'm forced to assume a few things based on what I'm hearing.

I'm getting the feeling a lot of you "in the know" are embarrassed about it.

On AFF? Do you anyone that know him? If you can't ask him, maybe someone you know can. Then we don't have to speculate.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'm not doing any such thing. We must be careful what we lay at the feet of God's children.
Is the oneness doctrine considered a heresay or not?
And is love the primary fruit we should be known by?

You mean to tell me you didn't say the disunity was simply because trinitraians wouldn't accept oneness people?

And what does "we must be careful what we lay at the feet of God's children even supposed to mean"? Are you trying to say I shouldn't question and disagree with you? Please tell me it's not so!

Many trinitarians consider many doctrines heresy. That doesn't usually stop them from fellowshipping with other christians who share those doctrines.

And of course love is the primary fruit by which we should be known? So what? Apostolic Identity has nothing to do with love. It has to do with distinctiveness and tradition. If Apostolic Identity had to do with love then I think many trinitarian circles would have the apostolics beat in Apostolic Identity!

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think when DB talks about Apostolic identity he is talking about the things that distinguish his movement from the rest of Christianity.

And why is this identity important? Why would a part of the body of Christ set themselves apart from all the rest? Fundamentally, I have a problem with the idea.

if this is the case anabaptist make the best examples for seperating themselves from the world life style dressing technology etc

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sam

It's more than just standards, it's also doctrinal.
I think it's another term for the Affirmation Statement
but applying it to the membership and not just ministers.

I think you are right that doctrine plays into the Apostolic Identity creed. It's one of the things that makes apostolics distinctive.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You mean to tell me you didn't say the disunity was simply because trinitraians wouldn't accept oneness people?

I mean to tell you just that. All I was doing was bringing up the other side. And even gave an example. But I never said it was one sided, those are words you seem to be putting in my mouth.

And what does "we must be careful what we lay at the feet of God's children even supposed to mean"? Are you trying to say I shouldn't question and disagree with you? Please tell me it's not so!

You accused me of "believing and teaching that my way is exclusive". I said no such thing and do no such thing. I happen to attend a trinitarian Foursqure church, I have NO problem fellowshipping with those who believe differently. I use to believe differently, God takes us on the journey we're supppose to be on if we allow Him. I'm NO judge of someone else's journey. So please don't accuse me of doing things I do not do.

I have not shared with anyone there my oneness belief partly because I fear their rejection when I would never reject them.

You have every right to question and disagree, but I feel we need to use a tone that speaks of love and not jumping to assumptions and then accusations that do not come across as in a loving manner. We are suppose to speak the truth in love, right?

Many trinitarians consider many doctrines heresy. That doesn't usually stop them from fellowshipping with other christians who share those doctrines.

Well, it does indeed happen. To say it doesn't is ignoring history and the experiences of others.

And of course love is the primary fruit by which we should be known? So what? Apostolic Identity has nothing to do with love. It has to do with distinctiveness and tradition. If Apostolic Identity had to do with love then I think many trinitarian circles would have the apostolics beat in Apostolic Identity!

"So what"? Apostolic identiy should be known first and foremost by love, oneness or not.
We can come across as harsh or we come across as loving.
I try very hard not to be harsh with anyone, but I'm still growing and hope I can better represent my Lord and His kindness more and more.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Timmy, once again, you have solved the problem without saying a word!

(singing) Tim says it best... when he says nothing at all.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

(singing) Tim says it best... when he says nothing at all.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

I mean to tell you just that. All I was doing was bringing up the other side. And even gave an example. But I never said it was one sided, those are words you seem to be putting in my mouth.

Thanks for the clarification. That's all I was really looking for. Looking back I see why your post was so one sided (because of NOW's). However, it's still my opinion that trinitarians are more accepting of oneness than oneness are of trinitarians.



You accused me of "believing and teaching that my way is exclusive". I said no such thing and do no such thing. I happen to attend a trinitarian Foursqure church, I have NO problem fellowshipping with those who believe differently. I use to believe differently, God takes us on the journey we're supppose to be on if we allow Him. I'm NO judge of someone else's journey. So please don't accuse me of doing things I do not do.

To be technical I accused oneness apostolics of believing and teaching their way was exclusive and then I lumped you into being a oneness apostolic. The fact is that oneness apostolics often cannot even fellowship with other apostolic churches because of their exclusivity. So they are very exclusive. If you are not a onenss apostolic then I apologize. If you are then you are part of a group that is very exclusive. Does that mean you are? No. It just means the group is.

By the way. I loved what you said about the journey

I have not shared with anyone there my oneness belief partly because I fear their rejection when I would never reject them.

I'm betting if you explained what you believed to them instead of just saying I don't believe the trinity I believe oneness that they probably wouldn't have a problem with your belief because they would think you believe in the trinity.

You have every right to question and disagree, but I feel we need to use a tone that speaks of love and not jumping to assumptions and then accusations that do not come across as in a loving manner. We are suppose to speak the truth in love, right?

When I think an assumption is warranted then I make it. If my assumption is wrong then I'll change it. I don't think making assumptions is usually the problem. I think making baseless assumptions can be a problem. And I do think we should speak the truth in love. And I'm sorry if I haven't been.

Well, it does indeed happen. To say it doesn't is ignoring history and the experiences of others.

Of course it happens. I never said it didn't. See there you are assuming that I'm saying it doesn't happen. It's easy to make assumptions isn't it?



"So what"? Apostolic identiy should be known first and foremost by love, oneness or not.
We can come across as harsh or we come across as loving.
I try very hard not to be harsh with anyone, but I'm still growing and hope I can better represent my Lord and His kindness more and more.

Apostolic Identity is strictly a oneness apostolic thing. It doesn't and cannot apply to any other type of Christian. Loving others can apply to other Christian but loving others isn't a tenet of Apostolic Identity.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

. . . loving others isn't a tenet of Apostolic Identity.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Me too