Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Deuteronomy does not deal with pants or skirts. It deals with men and women looking like each other. Its a principle, nothing more. God's spirit is still convicting women today to take off pants and put on skirts (even outside of pentecost).

Why? Because is distinct. Pants and skirts didn't exist in the Bible.
Here is what man has done with it.

Him i really dont agree with statment. ive not seen it. and the clothes that was in the bible was shawls or toga appearl and the big difference was mens was usually shorter, womans longer. infact if you look at earlier drawings men were quite exposed, i guess it would be like wearing modern day shorts as far as length. that is why the bible states if it pertains to a man.

they make woman pants for women! I mean we think a man in a kilt is wearing a skirt but to them it is a symbol of there manly heritage.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Him i really dont agree with statment. ive not seen it. and the clothes that was in the bible was shawls or toga appearl and the big difference was mens was usually shorter, womans longer. infact if you look at earlier drawings men were quite exposed, i guess it would be like wearing modern day shorts as far as length. that is why the bible states if it pertains to a man.

they make woman pants for women! I mean we think a man in a kilt is wearing a skirt but to them it is a symbol of there manly heritage.

But you admit there was a difference between their clothing.. What sort of difference is there between women's and men's? Design, shape (of course thats different)

Again this type of reasoning doesn't fit God's plan. If you see a woman afar off and a man afar off and both are wearing jeans, the only way to tell the difference is by the shape of their bodies.

There is a distinct difference between skirts and pants. I'm not sayin that is why God convicts ladies of pants. To be honest I need to quit trying to figure out the whys.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

To be honest I need to quit trying to figure out the whys.

Dont we all.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

If you grew up under a balanced pastor then WHO pounded it in your head as you have stated before?

Deuteronomy does not deal with pants or skirts. It deals with men and women looking like each other. Its a principle, nothing more. God's spirit is still convicting women today to take off pants and put on skirts (even outside of pentecost).

Why? Because is distinct. Pants and skirts didn't exist in the Bible. Sorry but I don't take Deuteronomy 22:5 literal like many do. If I did, then women wearing T shirts are violating the same principal. Scoff and call it unbibilical all you want to regarding the skirts and pants issue. It came from the Spirit of God, not of men. If you really get to know God's heart, He will teach you these things.

Here is what man has done with it.



made it a heaven/hell issue because its an abomination
made it like a christian lady is only christian when she is wearing a skirt

I don't agree with either one. I will tell you this though.. I believe not adhering to principles of holiness CAN cause you to walk away from God. But certainly a lady who cuts her hair or wears pants, those aren't the issues that will condemn them initially.. it will be the matter of the heart. If the heart is right, God will lead them. Thats all I have to say about that.

Amen to truth will prevail. I believe it. God is getting a bride ready for his Coming.

If I said it was pounded into my head and I don't think those are the words I used but no difference I guess, what I meant was every time some one new came in to the church the subjects of outward holiness, paying tithe, church attendanc, oneness of the Godhead, and baptism in Jesus name were the subjects. What I meant by balanced was the he did not preach things he felt were convictions. Like facial hair on men. He was a good pastor by most accounts. And I love the man. I have known of and heard of many that were what we term hard line. BJ was what most term middle of the road. That did not mean he did not still preach things I later found to not be sound word of God.

As for Deut. speaking of Men and women looking like each other, still not right. Sorry Acerrack but there was less distinction between men and womens garmets than what you have found dig deeper. I am not going to spell it out any more than that. As I have said before I am not out to convince anyone that they are wrong and get them to become like me. My Goal is only to get you back into the word When we think we have it all figured out is when we stop studying, when we stop studying we stop growing, when we stop growing we get stagnate. When we go to God with our questions and study we learn to recogize his voice and in doing this we strengthen our relationship with him. And that is what it is all about.

One faith yes God gives us principles it is when we try to apply the way we see the principle in our own life upon others that may see things different that we do that we do wrong. As Paul said in Romans 14 God has accepted them who are we to judge another man servant. Rather we should not set a stumbling block that would cause another weaker brother to fall.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

But you admit there was a difference between their clothing.. What sort of difference is there between women's and men's? Design, shape (of course thats different)

Again this type of reasoning doesn't fit God's plan. If you see a woman afar off and a man afar off and both are wearing jeans, the only way to tell the difference is by the shape of their bodies.

There is a distinct difference between skirts and pants. I'm not sayin that is why God convicts ladies of pants. To be honest I need to quit trying to figure out the whys.

The differences in the bible were subtle and they both wore robe like garb. So then using that why can't women were pants that are feminine and distinct from men's pants?

If you saw a man back then and a woman back then from afar off.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Justin

Regardless, the man w/ "shabby clothes" was still "coming in"...not already in!

The Greek word for "shabby," is also translated as "vile" in Rom. 1 & elsewhere. This is the idea behind the term, so YES, they were both "coming in" as opposed to already "in"! Regardless, anything to make the Bible fit your theology eh' Justin.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Justin

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

Right! Such as the liberal camp's constant disbelief & explaining away the text of God's Word. Do you not fear to toy w/ God's Word like that? When you fella's are finished w/ your erasers, the actual text will still instruct, "N-O-T with gold jewelry, pearls, or costly apparel." Spare me the "idiom" pls.....rdp.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Justin

I know. I have no idea where he is going with the man and the ring being the outsider "coming in". They were both outsiders "coming in" He doesn't see that I guess.

Why am I not surprised that you 2 would agree??? What YOU "don't see" is that the man w/ the gold ring, as well as the man w/ vile clothing, were both O-U-T-S-I-D-E of the Ekklessia...not w/in! Let me help you out here: This means that people w/in the church did not wear either!

So sad how you fella's fight the text......seriously.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

If you grew up under a balanced pastor then WHO pounded it in your head as you have stated before?

Deuteronomy does not deal with pants or skirts. It deals with men and women looking like each other. Its a principle, nothing more. God's spirit is still convicting women today to take off pants and put on skirts (even outside of pentecost).

Why? Because is distinct. Pants and skirts didn't exist in the Bible. Sorry but I don't take Deuteronomy 22:5 literal like many do. If I did, then women wearing T shirts are violating the same principal. Scoff and call it unbibilical all you want to regarding the skirts and pants issue. It came from the Spirit of God, not of men. If you really get to know God's heart, He will teach you these things.

Here is what man has done with it.

made it a heaven/hell issue because its an abomination
made it like a christian lady is only christian when she is wearing a skirt

I don't agree with either one. I will tell you this though.. I believe not adhering to principles of holiness CAN cause you to walk away from God. But certainly a lady who cuts her hair or wears pants, those aren't the issues that will condemn them initially.. it will be the matter of the heart. If the heart is right, God will lead them. Thats all I have to say about that.

Amen to truth will prevail. I believe it. God is getting a bride ready for his Coming.

Hello onefaith2....I think perhaps you should listen to Rick Treece's recent teachings at a Bible conference held in Tulsa [WPF meeting], where he breaks down the Greek of I Cor. 11. I don't see how in the world someone could think it's okay for a Christian woman to cut her hair after listening to this..they simply have to deny the grammatical facts...which is not a novelty! I've studied this as well, but will not take the time here to go into it. I think you can order this from the WPF website if interested.

Also, I don't know how, but if I could fwd. you a symposium paper that I presented last year dealing w/ the objections leveled against Deut. 22:5...you might find it interesting...or maybe not!!!

My email is not the same as listed on here when I registered, since someone hacked into it, so I don't know how I would get it to you? Also, I rarely even check in here anymore because of the outright absurdities [e.g., It's okay to preach in shorts, tank top, decked out in jewels (via Jeffrey, Godsdrummer, Sam, etc.)]. Just FYI. Will try to look in w/in the week sometime. Blessings...rdp.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by rdp

Why am I not surprised that you 2 would agree??? What YOU "don't see" is that the man w/ the gold ring, as well as the man w/ vile clothing, were both O-U-T-S-I-D-E of the Ekklessia...not w/in! Let me help you out here: This means that people w/in the church did not wear either!

So sad how you fella's fight the text......seriously.

I truly do not understand your logic. How you do gather that people in the church did not wear rings? Just because someone who wore them came in to the church?

If this is what you believe, you are clearly missing the context.