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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
The hundred dollor question, does UPCI have the whole truth as we preach we do? I don't think so. For that matter what is holiness? Is it the list of "standards" preached by UPCI or other holiness churches? Yes we are to be holy for God is a holy God. But holiness is not a set of rules put together by man, this is what the pharase had done at the time of Christ. Holiness is a right heart before God that reflects itself to the outside. When you then try to define what that reflection is by stipulating what is holy and what is not you bring your self under law. And Paul specificly tells us we are not under law. You cannot teach ouward holiness as defined by man and then say it comes from the heart.
And if you questioned holiness what did you do with the passages that UPCI mistranslates to mean what they teach. Deut 22:5 being a good example, if you truly studied the teachings you have to have found that this passage does not have anything to do with pants on women, so how do you justify teaching a doctrine that adds to the word of God? Do you think it is ok to add to the meaning of God's word?
A true shepard will feed the flock how will he do this by leading them to pastures and letting them forage for thier own good food. Not keeping them in a corral and feeding them dry straw, this is what too many pastors do.
You don't know how funny that statement is, I was in the ministry when I was in my late teens license in my early 20's starting my own church by my mid 20's My pastor I grew up under was one of the most balance holiness pastors I have ever come accross. If it was not spelled out by most accounts he did not preach it. I did not go looking to try and prove outward holines was not right I questioned because I had to make sure what I preached was in there "the bible" as Paul told Timothy "that you don't find yourself ashamed". I found myself ashamed before a sister in my church. I Told God put it in my heart for myself I beleive it, it make sense, but I have to study it not relly on other mens studies. That is when I found too many discrepancies. Teaching based on one passage that seemed to speak against something when in other passages it was ok.
Other than Deut 22:5 I will not go in to any other teachings for one simple reason, I am not trying to shake anyones faith in the things they hold dear. As this could cause them to lose all faith. What I do want to do is the get people to learn to listen to God over man and study themselves, building thier own personal relationship deeper with God. If by asking leading questions I can get some one to go to God and learn to recognize his voice and get closer to him I have acomplished what I set out to do.
One thing I have learned when some one studies God's word with an open mind and heart to GOD, not man, truth will prevail. |
If you grew up under a balanced pastor then WHO pounded it in your head as you have stated before?
Deuteronomy does not deal with pants or skirts. It deals with men and women looking like each other. Its a principle, nothing more. God's spirit is still convicting women today to take off pants and put on skirts (even outside of pentecost).
Why? Because is distinct. Pants and skirts didn't exist in the Bible. Sorry but I don't take
Deuteronomy 22:5 literal like many do. If I did, then women wearing T shirts are violating the same principal. Scoff and call it unbibilical all you want to regarding the skirts and pants issue. It came from the Spirit of God, not of men. If you really get to know God's heart, He will teach you these things.
Here is what man has done with it.
made it a heaven/hell issue because its an abomination
made it like a christian lady is only christian when she is wearing a skirt
I don't agree with either one. I will tell you this though.. I believe not adhering to principles of holiness CAN cause you to walk away from God. But certainly a lady who cuts her hair or wears pants, those aren't the issues that will condemn them initially.. it will be the matter of the heart. If the heart is right, God will lead them. Thats all I have to say about that.
Amen to truth will prevail. I believe it. God is getting a bride ready for his Coming.
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