Liar or Stupid?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Corning, NY

Pittsburgh, PA

parts of Ohio, and Illinois


Your question is stupid.

The companies that have abandoned these areas for overseas spots made the dollar the bottom line-- without regard to their countrymen and the communities their greed affected.

No. The companies that were forced out of these places were driven away by the greed of politicians and organized crime (labor unions). Tired of dealing with crooked politicians and the mob, these companies had to relocate or lose even more of their customers to Chinese manufacturing.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Conversely,
America's desire for cheap goods must be reigned in.

You go first. I have a desire for "cheap goods" like gasoline, affordable automobiles and I need a new blender right now. Kitchen appliances used to be made in upstate New York until the mafia and the Democrats took control.

Now I have to look for something made in China or Mexico. To be honest, it doesn't really matter to me where the blender is made. I just want the best one at the best price. This "desire" is called "hunger" and I can't really do anything about that.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

However, the way to stop the infiltration and destruction of drugs on a community is to get to the drug dealers and distributors-- if they can't feed the addicts, the addicts will be FORCED to either clean up, die, or go somewhere else. They will have no choice.


Same thing with America's cheap goods habit. Instead of feeding the habit, we can penalize the "corporate dealers" for not doing the bulk of their business ops in America. Or they can move their ops back to the States where our citizens will be FORCED to pay a fair rate for the goods we desire.


This would not be an easy adjustment for many families who are at or near the poverty level-- or for the middle class for that matter. However, it is an adjustment that has to be made if we want to be less dependent on foreign labor.

I really didn't like the cozy way government and organized crime take control of private industry. You're probably too young to remember, but in my teens Detroit made lousy cars and charged exorbitant prices for those cars. Much of this money was then funneled through organized crime rackets and into the coffers of Democrat politicians. It was becoming a tyranny.

Then, these really cool Japanese cars showed up (Reagan's "free trade"). They had better electronics, they were more reliable to operate and they burned a whole lot less gas. Americans were given a choice for the first time. We could perpetuate the Democrat/Mafia institutions or we could save money and burn less gasoline at a time when gas was at a premium.

We've been doing that ever since. AND, the Democrat control of America began to unravel.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Scotty,

I am not saying that bad tax policies are not part of the problem.

I am saying that companies have been leaving America long before the tax problem was a problem.

Your history is way off. I'm almost fifty and the movement of companies overseas is a rather recent phenomena.

Now, moving financial holdings overseas is as old as the American colonies. Most of the famous Kennedy family fortune is held in a trust in Fiji. What's with that? Charles Rangel (D-NY) keeps his money in the Dominican Republic.

Rangel is the man who actually writes our tax laws (or was). He knows the loop holes and takes full advantage of them. He has also engaged in illegal conduct - something he is only now being held accountable for.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am saying that the tax problem is not the only reason for what has happened and what is happening.

I am saying that there are other factors in the picture-- but my fellow Conservatives never want to address them.


Why can't you see the obvious?

You make up "factors." Your "greedy corporations" are as ephemeral as your claims to being a "Conservative."

Don't get me wrong, you can call yourself anything you like, but this refrain does wear thin, bro.

A business is something that exists to make money. It has no other reason to exist. To criticize it for making money is absurd. This money is something that benefits all of us. The jobs are just the most obvious benefit.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

I know exactly where we came from It was called Russia and it was communistic just like you wish America to be.

Coadie,

So because I would rather buy American you want to call me communistic?

I can hardly buy American anymore because hardly anything is made in America anymore!


You're out of your mind!

Your mindset makes a god out of the dollar and leaves American workers unemployed.

[Jermyn Davidson]

This article talks about what I am frustrated about.


http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...L,MOT,aapl,bni

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Your history is way off. I'm almost fifty and the movement of companies overseas is a rather recent phenomena.

Now, moving financial holdings overseas is as old as the American colonies. Most of the famous Kennedy family fortune is held in a trust in Fiji. What's with that? Charles Rangel (D-NY) keeps his money in the Dominican Republic.

Rangel is the man who actually writes our tax laws (or was). He knows the loop holes and takes full advantage of them. He has also engaged in illegal conduct - something he is only now being held accountable for.




You make up "factors." Your "greedy corporations" are as ephemeral as your claims to being a "Conservative."

Don't get me wrong, you can call yourself anything you like, but this refrain does wear thin, bro.

A business is something that exists to make money. It has no other reason to exist. To criticize it for making money is absurd. This money is something that benefits all of us. The jobs are just the most obvious benefit.

I am a Conservative who believes that American companies exist to make money and that they should make a better effort to keep their operations in America-- the country that is making them rich in the first place.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am a Conservative who believes that American companies exist to make money and that they should make a better effort to keep their operations in America-- the country that is making them rich in the first place.

All companies exist to make money.

You failed to address the points made for WHY these companies move to over seas operations

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

All companies exist to make money.

You failed to address the points made for WHY these companies move to over seas operations

I have.

My point is that it is not about taxes for all companies-- especially since companies have been moving out since the 1990's.

These companies can stay in America, can keep more Americans employed, but the dollar is more important to them than their employees.


So to Mexico they go. Or China. Or Indonesia. Or any other country where they can take advantage of the strength of the dollar, paying poor, uneducated, non-Americans 1/10 of what they would pay the American that helped build their company in the first place!



In fact, has anyone (besides me) ever thought that maybe there are policies in place that work to keep the value of the currencies of other nations low-- for the advantage of corporations?

Are the currencies of some of the stable third world countries kept artificially low for sake of international profits?


Maybe it is better for some countries to never rise out of the civil wars and issues because if they ever developed a stable government and grew a stable economy, given their natural resources, they would be an economic force to be reckoned with. Could this be a mindset that is at work on an international level today?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am a Conservative who believes that American companies exist to make money and that they should make a better effort to keep their operations in America-- the country that is making them rich in the first place.

More liberal class warfare attacks!!

That iws all people with communist mindserts do. You show hate for companies that prosper. Communist indoctrination peddles class warfoare.

You can't stop

You are also dishonest.
America is not making companies rich

I repeat since you are not very alert
America does not make a single company rich. Increasing sales and very carefully managing costs is how companies make profits. Making good investments help a company retain earnings.

Communists like youir self waste time talking about corporate gred and excess. That is waht goes on when communism wants to take over.

Your anti conservative mantra is very tiresome.





Your knowledge of accounting is very sad.

Communists say the government should own the profits of the companies.
The stiockholders are the investors that own the earnings if government leaves them alone.

Obama's takeover of GM and chrysler was a communistic stunt. Communists deny being the same.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Your history is way off. I'm almost fifty and the movement of companies overseas is a rather recent phenomena.

Now, moving financial holdings overseas is as old as the American colonies. Most of the famous Kennedy family fortune is held in a trust in Fiji. What's with that? Charles Rangel (D-NY) keeps his money in the Dominican Republic.

Rangel is the man who actually writes our tax laws (or was). He knows the loop holes and takes full advantage of them. He has also engaged in illegal conduct - something he is only now being held accountable for.




You make up "factors." Your "greedy corporations" are as ephemeral as your claims to being a "Conservative."
Don't get me wrong, you can call yourself anything you like, but this refrain does wear thin, bro.

A business is something that exists to make money. It has no other reason to exist. To criticize it for making money is absurd. This money is something that benefits all of us. The jobs are just the most obvious benefit.

Communism rants on the unfairness of corporations and exploitation of the working classes.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by coadie

More liberal class warfare attacks!!

That iws all people with communist mindserts do. You show hate for companies that prosper. Communist indoctrination peddles class warfoare.

You can't stop

You are also dishonest.
America is not making companies rich

I repeat since you are not very alert
America does not make a single company rich. Increasing sales and very carefully managing costs is how companies make profits. Making good investments help a company retain earnings.

Communists like youir self waste time talking about corporate gred and excess. That is waht goes on when communism wants to take over.

Your anti conservative mantra is very tiresome.





Your knowledge of accounting is very sad.

Communists say the government should own the profits of the companies.
The stiockholders are the investors that own the earnings if government leaves them alone.

Obama's takeover of GM and chrysler was a communistic stunt. Communists deny being the same.

Without a customer base to buy your products, you can't manage profits that simply aren't there. This is how Americans are making companies rich. We have one of the world's biggest consumer driven economies.

The corporation sells their products produced at pennies on the dollar and sells their product to the children of the American workers that help to establish that same company. The big difference is that the company that Dad was a loyal employee of will not hire his children unless they are willing to move to Indonesia and work for $4.00 / day.

You don't love America's citizens.

You don't want to see manufacturing, glassware and steelworks jobs return to America. You don't want American farmers to receive fair compensation for their produce-- almost forcing them to pay all of their workers "under the table.

You would rather that farmers hire "illegal" workers so companies can buy a gross of apples for pennies on the dollar and turn around and sell that same produce for nickels on the dollar.



You wear well that stupid red, white and blue lapel that's made in China.