Liar or Stupid?

[Jermyn Davidson]

[QUOTE=pelathais;983375]http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_s...-at-S-C--plant

The "typical" German autoworker makes about $30.00 an hour. The "typical" Detroit autoworker makes at least that much plus has HUGE union mandated pension and benefit expenses related to organized crime which runs the unions.

"Simple folk" in South Carolina are happy to get $15.00 an hour.

Where would you build if you were BMW?

And... who benefits? The unemployed in South Carolina and the consumers of BMW automobiles.

There are many parts of the U.S. that can compete quite well with "foreign labor."[/QUOTE]



That depends on the industry you are talking of.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by scotty

I would agree there are some who would fall into that catagory. The unions have made the American workforce inept. They expect more for less. In other countries people are happy to do anything for any amount of money.

I worked on an asphalt crew and one year we were sent to Honduras to show a local company that had just bought equipment from us how to operate it and run a crew. One day our street sweeper broke down, the locals immediatly stepped into the woods and come back out with tree branches as big as they were and continued sweeping the road ahead of the paving machine. You wont see that kind of dedication in this country, we have illegals sneaking in to do the work that "Americans wont do", tell me what thats about ?

I'm not arguing that companies should not necessarily be allowed to create their products in other parts of the world. I'm just asking if there is any merit to the argument that it is detrimental to the US economy.
I do know that people in most parts of the world are willing to work for much less that Americans are, I'm just wondering if it is in our best interest to open the doors and give everyone that option. Should we as American consumers punish those companies?
One thing to factor in in our unwillingness to work for what some others may is our cost of living here. I don't think we could afford to work for what some do.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by scotty

This is a dumb statement. If America is unemployed then who is going to make them rich by buying their products and services. Any company who wishes to succeed has to realize that the state of the economy (including employment) is vital.

Leftist extremists hurt the poor folk they claim to protect.

If Obama supported job growth, payroll taxes would get collected and we wouldn't have to raise taxes by increasing tax brackets.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

This is a dumb statement. If America is unemployed then who is going to make them rich by buying their products and services. Any company who wishes to succeed has to realize that the state of the economy (including employment) is vital.

Ask the people of Rochester, NY?

Whose goods are they buying?

Oh and how many jobs have left their city to go overseas?

[coadie]

[QUOTE=Jermyn Davidson;983388]

Originally Posted by pelathais

http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_s...-at-S-C--plant

The "typical" German autoworker makes about $30.00 an hour. The "typical" Detroit autoworker makes at least that much plus has HUGE union mandated pension and benefit expenses related to organized crime which runs the unions.

"Simple folk" in South Carolina are happy to get $15.00 an hour.

Where would you build if you were BMW?

And... who benefits? The unemployed in South Carolina and the consumers of BMW automobiles.

There are many parts of the U.S. that can compete quite well with "foreign labor."[/QUOTE]



That depends on the industry you are talking of.

Ford labor costs are over 70 dollars an hour.

Tata Motors announced the launch of world's cheapest car. It seats four people comfortably like any other car. It is easy on the purse costing only 2500 Dollars. The price is half of what the Chinese sell in the small car segment. Big news from India. The car is expected to set price wars for cars not only in India but across the world markets

[scotty]

Originally Posted by tstew

I'm not arguing that companies should not necessarily be allowed to create their products in other parts of the world. I'm just asking if there is any merit to the argument that it is detrimental to the US economy.
I do know that people in most parts of the world are willing to work for much less that Americans are, I'm just wondering if it is in our best interest to open the doors and give everyone that option. Should we as American consumers punish those companies?
One thing to factor in in our unwillingness to work for what some others may is our cost of living here. I don't think we could afford to work for what some do.

Your last factor explains your first. Your right, we couldn't live in America on what they are paying overseas workers. On the flip side of that, we would not be able to afford alot of products that are currently produced overseas were they produced here because they would cost more. Like it has been said, products produced out of country at a lower cost are benificial to us, the consumer. So the question becomes, especially in our current economic situation, can we as consumers afford to punish those companies.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ask the people of Rochester, NY?

Whose goods are they buying?

Oh and how many jobs have left their city to go overseas?

Thank you for making my point. Have you seen the tax brackets in NY ?

Better yet, look at any state that has been under Democratic control for years and you will see the same thing. California, huge example. Company's are leaving for other states left and right because of too much government.

Why can't you see the obvious ?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ask the people of Rochester, NY?

Whose goods are they buying?

Oh and how many jobs have left their city to go overseas?

Corning, NY

Pittsburgh, PA

parts of Ohio, and Illinois


Your question is stupid.

The companies that have abandoned these areas for overseas spots made the dollar the bottom line-- without regard to their countrymen and the communities their greed affected.

Conversely,
America's desire for cheap goods must be reigned in.



However, the way to stop the infiltration and destruction of drugs on a community is to get to the drug dealers and distributors-- if they can't feed the addicts, the addicts will be FORCED to either clean up, die, or go somewhere else. They will have no choice.


Same thing with America's cheap goods habit. Instead of feeding the habit, we can penalize the "corporate dealers" for not doing the bulk of their business ops in America. Or they can move their ops back to the States where our citizens will be FORCED to pay a fair rate for the goods we desire.


This would not be an easy adjustment for many families who are at or near the poverty level-- or for the middle class for that matter. However, it is an adjustment that has to be made if we want to be less dependent on foreign labor.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

Thank you for making my point. Have you seen the tax brackets in NY ?

Better yet, look at any state that has been under Democratic control for years and you will see the same thing. California, huge example. Company's are leaving for other states left and right because of too much government.

Why can't you see the obvious ?

Scotty,

I am not saying that bad tax policies are not part of the problem.

I am saying that companies have been leaving America long before the tax problem was a problem.

I am saying that the tax problem is not the only reason for what has happened and what is happening.

I am saying that there are other factors in the picture-- but my fellow Conservatives never want to address them.


Why can't you see the obvious?

[Jermyn Davidson]

I have on here and in real life complained about Maryland's poor management of one of their major assets: the city of Baltimore!

90 miles south of Philly.

30 minutes north of DC.

1 hour from the Pentagon in northern VA.

It has its own harbor!

Worldclass universities and hospitals!



There should be plenty of jobs and not so much crime.

Instead Baltimore is a cess pool of poverty and crime for most areas in the city. Their underemployed, undereducated population is stuck in the broken "system" of government assistance, low paying jobs, and crime.