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Originally Posted by TGBTG
First off, every verse you have posted in this thread has had to do with drunkeness.
Isaiah 5:11
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness
Proverbs 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
(Reading the rest of that scripture in Prov 23 actually describes a drunken fellow)
Yes, nazarites and priest when in service were not allowed to drink, BUT, the common Israelite was no where forbidden
That one verse in Deut 14:26 (if you believe in bible inerrancy) should be enough to show that wine and STRONG DRINK (my emphasis on strong drink..lol) are ok. But you shouldn't go against your conviction
Also, in Eph 5:18 "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit" shows Christians should not have excess wine. Now, how can Paul be warning against excess wine if the Ephesians were not to even drink wine at all? |
Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
No drunkeness here.
Pro. 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
If this one is followed it will keep you from drunkeness. Therefore this one is prevenitive care.
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
This deals with simply offering it to someone and it deals with getting someone else drunk.
I am a strong believer in biblical inerrancy and did not say that verse was in error, rather i stated that one verse should not be used to discout the clear teaching of multiple clear passages.
Here are some examples:
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
If take this one verse and make it a stand alone passage then you and i and all others that claim to be saved had better start handleing snakes and healing everyone that is sick and possibley puting ourselves in places where we could drink deadly things.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Does this passage teach a salvation of works in that if a man acts right and does right he is accepted of God apart from faith and repentace?
1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
If we pull this one scripture out then i guess the mormons are correct in saying that we can baptize relatives of dead people and they can be given a second chance.
These are just a few passages that show the danger of pulling one scripture out and discounting all other passages that deal with the same topic.
As to vyour statement regarding
Eph 5:18 and attempting to make it say that a little bit was ok just not in excess. If that is the true meaning then what of the passage that says the bishop is to be the husband of one wife does that mena that all the other men could practice polygamy?
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