Come Out Of Her My People

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pliny

So now you want to change what YOU said. That's fine...
I wonder if you use the term rapture to... That would seem hypocritical to someone who wants only to use biblical language.

Did I change what I said? My entire point has been this:

1. The bible teaches that God has abandoned the use of buildings as His Temple. He does not dwell in them.
2. The bible speaks of the people of God as His Temple, the 'house of God'. (A temple is a house for a god, after all.)
3. Speaking of a building made with hands as 'God's house' does not express any Biblical concept, but instead actually expresses a concept that is contrary to a clearly taught bible doctrine (see 1 and 2 above).
4. Therefore, we should not refer to a building made with hands as God's house.

As for the 'rapture', no I do not speak of 'the rapture'. I do however speak of the resurrection, of the Lord's coming, and of our meeting Him in the air. I suppose you could call that 'the rapture', and even though I would suggest that biblical support for that term, in that context, is sketchy, I would also suggest it does not parallel the case before us. Because the term 'rapture' is not (in that particular case) a biblical term which expresses one thing in the bible, but is applied to another thing in our speaking that implies the opposite of it's biblical meaning.

If a person were to speak of their physical death as 'the rapture', then the case would be more parallel.

Now you know what the "speaker" thinks???
Pretty judgmental of you isn't it? You see m to know more about what the speaker implies than the speaker himself.
Thus we see whose ignorance is really showing.

I said 'likely not thinking of'. Or do you agree that when a person says 'welcome to the house of God' they really are thinking that God does indeed dwell in houses made with hands, that God still wants, desires, and expects buildings to serve as His temples?

As for ignorance, I did not say YOU were ignorant. Your descent into the ad hominem proves a point (to me, at least).

In any event, you all have had a mighty good try, but a few things remain undimished by your cherished clinging to man made tradition and will-worship.

1. The bible teaches explicitly that God does not dwell in houses made by hands (even if one paints a sign on it claiming it's his personal residence).

2. The apostles believed a certain way, which led them to speak of certain things in certain ways.

3. Many today believe a certain way, which leads them to speak of certain things in certain ways, albeit quite differently from (and even opposite to) the way the apostles spoke, and thus we may surmise, believed.

4. Very little, if any, theological discussion on AFF can be had without it degenerating into one big ad hominem strife.

God bless.