born of water

[shazeep]

ok, no arguments there, as long as it is realized that following protocol will not get you saved; and that there is deeper meaning to 'baptism' than we currently afford it. Our "baptism" is now a ceremonial thing, something people do, and then go back to their lives, tra-la. Not what was originally meant to happen.

Originally Posted by thephnxman

You just said a mouthful!

Can anyone enter the kingdom and deny the scriptures? That's what you seem to be saying. Or can we enter the kingdom based on our own interpretation of scriptures?

The AOG believes that "born of water" points to the amniotic fluid taht protects the embryo: that one cannot be born of the Spirit, unless they are first born as a human. Is that you?

yes--and i guess i'm just realizing that this is not a widely held view. And imo, you can only enter the kingdom based upon your own interpretation of Scripture, with the Holy Spirit's help, of course. There is even Scripture for this; to not be letting others interpret Scripture for you. King James included. A lexicon will at least provide a sense of the original.

And so no, one cannot deny Scripture and enter the kingdom, i don't think; but i write because i see many who fulfill Scripture without knowing it, and many who know Scripture without fulfilling it--with the best of intentions. By all means, and especially if it has meaning for you, get baptized in Jesus' Name--and i mean the dunking in actual water part. I pray that in a couple, few, ten (forty, for me ) years, one sees the real meaning of baptism, having learned the symbology; whereas church would have us go into navel-gazing mode. Again, with the best of intentions.