A Picture of Grace from God's Point of View

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Sorry, your entire universe is so different than mine when you read Jesus say that lack of baptism and belief in Him makes one damned, and cannot walk away and apply that to ANYTHING. As best as I can see it, that effectively makes the word of God null and void.

the point is hopefully to come to a more complete understanding of these passages; one that will admittedly mock getting re-baptized "the right way," and show the difference in belief and faith, if there is any.

I already stated we cannot forgive someone if the bible does not forgive. God demands a person to seek forgiveness and repent in order for Him to forgive. He leads people to repentance. But how can we forgive someone when God's word says they're lost?

indeed. How can we love our enemies? How can we turn the other cheek? You put burdens on forgive, and you will be forgiven that i do not find in Scripture.

You already mocked the idea of taking scripture for what it says as being "fundamentalist". So, you're in a totally different world.

well, i do notice that when i quote Scripture, it is made of no effect, yes.

Jesus demonstrated it is possible for a person to be already condemned according to God and His word, and for us to simply try to recover them. You act as though our acceptance of God's judgment makes us the judge!

we are freed from the law, of sin and death; why not accept God's Grace? Yes, it is a profound step, one that requires dying to self more completely, and few are able to let go of that part, as it so completely defines them. But this is what "changing your mind" is all about. You have condemned yourself, imo, but i am no better, and there is always hope for either of us.

Sure! All Catholics are lost! I say that with no less emphasis than I do in the case of Muslims. All hindus are lost. All buddhists are lost. Are you getting my point yet?

As you think, so are you, but let's focus on Catholics; why are they lost? Pardon me if i've forgotten the rhetoric, which i think centered around the pope or something, i forget.