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Old 05-09-2016, 08:05 AM
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Re: A Picture of Grace from God's Point of View

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Jesus said people are already judged. read all the bible.
ok, thanks, just doing my best here. Seems the problem with that argument is that 1) Christ is Named the Light in that passage, further emphasizing His spiritual nature, which is what must be understood in order to "accept Christ," and 2) Works are given here as the evidence. So yes, people who do evil--are judgemental, say--are judged (Judge not, lest you be judged).

19“This, then, is the judgment: The lightaq has come into the world,ar and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone who practices wicked things hatesas the light and avoids it,at so that his deedsau may not be exposed. 21But anyone who lives byav the truth comes to the light, so that his worksaw may be shown to be accomplished by God.”ax

So, while i guess this is prolly frustrating for you, this passage also does not seem to be forwarding your opinion. I think you are going to be hard pressed to put Christ into your judgements; Christ is about forgiveness, even of the guilty. We get invited into condemnation of sin, or even what we perceive to be sin, not realizing that we lose Christ in the process.

This does not mean to condone sin, or indulge in sin, or allow sin in any way, but it does mean and require a change in focus. If anyone doubts this, just contemplate who it is that comes before God and mentions peoples' sins. satan is "the accuser," and he is who you follow when you are accusing. It is when you forgive that you are forgiven, over and above any spurious salvation experience that men may offer.
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