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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I agree with this. Because i can just as easily say that Heb 1 and Colossians is talking about the plan in the mind of God, a logic, or reason.

Although I might be inclined to want to say something like this, I don't think it can easily be said at all because the Image/Son is described in personal terms throughout the contexts of Col 1 and Heb 1--he is described as an actual person who has done specific concrete things to accomplish our redemption. Look at Col 1.13-20 again. The Son has a kingdom, he died on the cross and redeemed us by his blood, the Father dwelled in him and reconciled all things to himself, He is the head of the church, He is the first fruits of the resurrection, etc. In light of this, I don't think we can then say, "But regarding him being the Image of God who created all things, well, that is just referring to the plan in the mind of God, a logic, or reason." We can't switch to talking about abstract ideas when everything else in the context is concrete.

Even the same thing you say about God walking and talking with Adam In the cool ot the day by the preincarnate logo's, I can show just enough proof that it didn't mean that. i can walk and talk with Him, this day never seeing Him. We forget they had no fallen nature so, Adam was in tuned to the Spirit on a level we could never even fathom. The most Spiritual fallen person we know, would pale in comparison to Adam.

Yes we can walk and talk with the Lord, but we can't hear Him walking and talking, which is what Adam and Eve experienced. They didn't spiritually "hear" God in the Garden. They actually heard his voice audibly, and so it follows they actually heard the Lord walking in the Garden. It makes most sense to understand that the Lord was in a visible Form in the Garden.

I do think both sides have good points and I'll be honest the answer is probably between the 2 extremes, but some of this is at best trying to rationalize the "great mystery ot Godliness."

One of the good things about this forum is being able to consider the different views to help sharpen our understanding. I'm not trying to rationalize the mystery; I want to defeat trinitarianism and how we understand and explain the Logos/Image is crucial to this task.