Daniel's 70th week

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What?

Why ask why? You are the one who is superstitious. You have built this mythology around one Hebrew word. Mike, here is what we ask Jehovah Witnesses. A Sacred Name group who had to come up with their own translation which they peppered with the guess name Jehovah. We ask them why? Why go and insert Jehovah everywhere in the OT and NT where it was never originally? Jesus is YAH? Really? Jesus is who he shall become? Yet, He is NEVER called YAH anywhere in the New Testament. No where does Jesus call Himself YAH. Nowhere does any apostle call Jesus YAH. If this Hebrew word was so important, so important that it can cause someone to lose their soul by misusing it. Then why aren't we WARNED about it? Told to be CAREFUL not to MISUSE it? You see you won't get honest, and answer me.

You just quote from a English translation, and post from concordances.

Come on Mike, where is the proof from Jesus and the apostles themselves? Where is Paul acting and speaking like you? Where? Do we need to find a Hebrew Roots translation of the New Testament where they have Jesus and the apostles Yahing it up? Where they never did before? Mike, that Hebrew word isn't important to Jesus, or the apostles. Neither should it be to us, who speak English.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

In thousands of posts here I have not even ONCE tried to push anyone to use "YAH". Dom cant produce even one quote where I have. I myself use it with pleasure.

Show me the one post in this thread where I accuse you about pushing anyone to use Hebrew? You can't because that isn't what I've been talking about. I'm talking about you telling me I could be a blasphemer because of me just saying it is a Hebrew word, a verb. Not some special word which we must be careful not to abuse it. That is your's and the Sacred Name group's hokkuspokkus. All because of some strange Hebrew envy.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Whenever Dom sees it he attacks it. Several times, without telling him HE must use this sacred name I have cautioned him about it because I am concerned for his soul.

Here we go again. OK, look boys and girls. Let's put on thinking caps on. Here is an individual who says that he doesn't push anyone to use the Hebrew word. But believes that one can lose their soul because of misusing that Hebrew word? So, that Hebrew word must eb super important? Right?

Therefore why shouldn't we all use it and honor it? Correct? Then, we need Mike to PROVE that it was that important.

But NOWHERE and I do mean NOWHERE, in the New Testament are we told about this Hebrew word's importance.

Mike, won't even attempt to make the case, because, he has no where documented where Jesus uses this Hebrew verb. Where Jesus teaches on the importance of the use of the Hebrew language. The importance of the Greek language, the Latin language, or the Aramaic language. The whole love affair with the Hebrew stems from the Talmudic Rabbis. Not that Mike had a Rabbi throw some Hebrew mojo on him, but it was the Dispensational movement (Daniel 70 weeks) which places the modern Jew (With their Modern Hebrew) in the forefront of their religion. A Hebrew envy develops and sooner or later, MeeMaw starts butchering the Hebrew language with her thick Cajun accent.

Will everyone who is Dispensationalist Pre or Post trib do this? NO. Do some go all the way to "I wish I was a Jew" syndrome? Sadly yes. Some to the point where they listen to a Rabbi Tovia Singer and REALLY LOSE THEIR SOULS. Not because they misuttered a Hebrew word YH, YHVH, HYH. No, renouncing Christ, because they were now convinced by a Rabbi that Jesus or Yeshua wasn't the TRUE MESSIAH.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is HE who cannot tolerate this name and who will fight about it at the drop of a hat.

Mike, you speak English. You hadn't even taken the time to learn Hebrew since 1974? My lands, since 1974 you would be able to have a rolling conversation on the streets of Neve Tzedek. But you don't, and so you warn me about YAH? His name is Jesus, who is the Father, who is God of gods, LORD of lords, King of kings. Ruler and creator of the universe. The Rabbis don't believe that, but if you won't call on Hashem "the name" then they will suffice with YAH. Good job Mike. Mike, why aren't you pronouncing λούια?

Since you posted Revelation's Αλληλούια why don't you tell us how to pronounce λούια? Since you have warned me to be careful, should we also be careful about this Greek word? Does λούια sound like YAH? Mike does it?
Warning people not to blaspheme a Hebrew word, what about a Greek or English word? So, again, how do you pronounce λούια? We know it doesn't look the same as YAH. What does it sound like? You see Mike, Yahwists have a problem with the Greek, Αλληλούια, and as you know Jesus. But with Αλληλούια. The problem is how it is pronounced. Which isn't an issue if you understand, but since Yahwists are phonic intolerable, they want to throw it out. So, Mike what is λούια?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You are making a commandment here that Christ never made.

Mike, that is what I am asking you to do in post after post. I am asking you to show me where Jesus or the apostles ever warned anyone about YAH? You see Mike, YOU are the one who claim if I misuse this Hebrew vowel, I can lose my soul. So, while you crawfish all over this thread, you are the one putting commandments in Jesus' mouth. No you don't push anyone to use the verb, but you just warn me over and over to not tamper with the verb. Noting in the New Testament in the form of a prohibition, commandment, treaty, or admonishment concerning the Hebrew language. Or any language.
Hence the reason why the Bible was translated into English and Spanish.
Religious orders were the ones who fought against translation. It doesn't seem to have been an issue during the ancient times. Yet, the Greek Orthodox Byzantines frowned on the Greek being translated into Latin. The Roman Catholics frowned on the Latin being translated into the common language of English, German, and Spanish. They believed the Greek, and Latin to be holy. Language is a means to relate a message, all languages can do this. We are not cursed if we use, or not use a language. Because Jesus and the apostles NEVER made it an issue.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

In your mind it's wrong for me as an American to call Jesus by his Hebrew name.

No, not wrong. Extremely odd, that we would do that, since we have no precedent to do so. Look, in 1974 when you walked into a church did you hear them use yeshua or Jesus?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So by logic do you feel it's wrong for a Jew to call Yeshua "Jesus"?

Oh, you don't read posts before you answer them? That's why I like you so much.

Sad, man. Real sad.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I came up in an International Church. There were Americans, Indians, British, Chinese, Japanese, French, Jews, ect. People would worship Christ interchanging names. It was not considered sinful.

Mike, you didn't read my post. So, now you are building a strawman. Mike, you are the one saying it is sinful to misuse a Hebrew word. Not me, I'm saying the exact opposite. Where did Jesus or the apostles warn anyone concerning the Hebrew? Concerning the Hebrew words YAH, YHVH, HYH?
Where did the apostles or Jesus give warnings like you have posted to me? SINFUL!?!? Mike, you are turning this on to me? Maybe Hebrew is your birth language? Because you sure can't read English.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do I use YAH at times to feel more Hebrew? Not that I am aware of.

Hence the reason I'm pointing it out to you.

What do you feel about the Jewish people in general? How does God view them?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why do you and others go to the Greek or even the Hebrew to prove points you are making?

If the Bible was written in ancient Manderien we study that language, would go to dictionaries, and lexicons.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Does it make you feel more Greek or Hebrew?

Either you are so mad that we can roast and melt steel on your head. Or you haven't read a word I posted. Mike, forget ancient languages, you need to read and understand English first. Because we speak English do we feel more English? My wife and daughter reads the Bible Old and New entirely in Greek. The church family read in Greek, Spanish, English, French. Does it make them feel more ethnic? NO!!!!

Because it is their birth languages. Boudreaux & Thibodeaux start speaking French and English? That would be normal. If they started speaking French and English throwing in some Hebrew here and there, then we start looking at them oddly. Listen, I don't need someone who has never learned Hebrew, lived in Israel, to tell me shalom. Bye and hello works just fine. Mike, you do it because you think that is His name, and to sound more Hebrew. You called Him God and Jesus ever since you set a foot in the church. You then went of on a Hebrew carpet ride and became Rabbi Micheal Gibson.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why do you do it? Why is it ok to try to prove the most minor points by going to the Greek or Hebrew but YET forbid even a positive MENTION of the name God has used in both Testaments?

Mike, you make no sense. We use Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin to give definitions. I don't walk around calling Jesus Ἰησοῦς,, or saying He is θεός.


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