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Old 07-23-2022, 11:04 AM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church

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You are arguing that the tithe was of good and agriculture products because bartering was their main way of trading. But bartering appearing in the Scriptures does not support such statement!
You are so set that I am wrong that you assume my intention and miss what I actually meant. I was saying BARTERING was a form of commerce in those days along with money similar to us today, so tithing falls under the use of what was commerce then. That means tithing used elements of commerce, basically. So if we use what we consider commerce now, then money fits. It's our only means of commerce!

But that is as far as I go even when considering the Old Testament. As Esaias recognized, I do not teach tithing laws when I teach tithing. I teach you CAN give tithes of your money or not! You are not getting that point as others are. Yes, tithing IS USUALLY associated with OT law when people speak of tithing in their church, but I am not of that USUAL category in this instance.

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You posted 9 passages about bartering. I posted 12 of money usage in exchange. I also posted some from the NT because people forget that the tithing was also active in the NT yet they used money extensively as well. Notice that even in the times of Moses, they had a system of lending with interests, and even during Jesus's time, they already had the concept of bankers, so it was setup even before Jesus' time. Money in trading was common from ancient times.
Gen 17:23 NKJV - (23) So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.
Gen 23:15-16 NKJV - (15) "My lord, listen to me; the land [is worth] four hundred shekels of silver. What [is] that between you and me? So bury your dead." (16) And Abraham listened to Ephron; and Abraham weighed out the silver for Ephron which he had named in the hearing of the sons of Heth, four hundred shekels of silver, currency of the merchants.
Gen 33:19 NKJV - (19) And he bought the parcel of land, where he had pitched his tent, from the children of Hamor, Shechem's father, for one hundred pieces of money.
Gen 42:25 NKJV - (25) Then Joseph gave a command to fill their sacks with grain, to restore every man's money to his sack, and to give them provisions for the journey. Thus he did for them.
Exo 21:30, 34-35 NKJV - (30) "If there is imposed on him a sum of money, then he shall pay to redeem his life, whatever is imposed on him. ... (34) "the owner of the pit shall make [it] good; he shall give money to their owner, but the dead [animal] shall be his. (35) "If one man's ox hurts another's, so that it dies, then they shall sell the live ox and divide the money from it; and the dead [ox] they shall also divide.
Exo 22:17, 25 NKJV - (17) "If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins. ... (25) "If you lend money to [any of] My people [who are] poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
Exo 30:16 NKJV - (16) "And you shall take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shall appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of meeting, that it may be a memorial for the children of Israel before the LORD, to make atonement for yourselves."
2Ki 15:20 NKJV - (20) And Menahem exacted the money from Israel, from all the very wealthy, from each man fifty shekels of silver, to give to the king of Assyria. So the king of Assyria turned back, and did not stay there in the land.
Mat 10:9 NKJV - (9) "Provide neither gold nor silver nor copper in your money belts,
Mat 25:27 NKJV - (27) 'So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest.
How exactly are you supporting your argument? that "bartering was more often or easier therefore that's why tithing was of agriculture products?" If that's your argument, then money must have been hard to get or exchange. However, that's not the case at all in the entire Bible.
You again missed the forest for the trees. MY ONLY POINT about tithes in reference to OT was that BARTER was involved which was PART of their system of currency, unlike us today. And what was bartered was also part of their tithing system.

I do not care what people tithed for back then, nor how they tithed and all the regulations involved. It has nothing to do with my view because I do not use that law to teach tithing as you repeatedly are refusing to acknowledge in my explanations, although I am repeating it over and over..

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If the reason for tithing of agriculture products was that, then, why not God let the Israelites that were able to use money (assuming was a rare thing), just give money to the Levites for the tithe, instead of telling them to rebuy products in this passage?
I do not care because I do not use law and their points to teach tithing. Again, my point was tithing involved commerce use of bartering items not categorized as money. We use money for all our commerce.

Esaias saw my point, but for some reason you do not and refuse to .So you're tackling a million strawmen of my view when they are not me at all.
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