History of Tithes in the Church

[coksiw]

The weirdest excuse I've seen is "tithing is also a way to prevent the saints from taking advantage of the pastor". That's a very hilariously twisted idea.

I have personally started two congregations, taught/preached a lot from pulpit and in Bible Studies, mentored, made decisions, sang, played, led, organized, trained, traveled to train others... and I have never received a dime from tithing in my entire over two decades of service! Only voluntary offering! Seriously. Never felt saints taking advantage of me. In fact, the immense majority of the work done in activities like quizzing, camps, children's ministries, conferences, visiting, meals to sick people, etc... is done by unpaid saints!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by coksiw

The weirdest excuse I've seen is "tithing is also a way to prevent the saints from taking advantage of the pastor". That's a very hilariously twisted idea.

I have personally started two congregations, taught/preached a lot from pulpit and in Bible Studies, mentored, made decisions, sang, played, led, organized, trained, traveled to train others... and I have never received a dime from tithing in my entire over two decades of service! Only voluntary offering! Seriously. Never felt saints taking advantage of me. In fact, the immense majority of the work done in activities like quizzing, camps, children's ministries, conferences, visiting, meals to sick people, etc... is done by unpaid saints!

Amen to that brother. And they are happy to do the Lord’s work.

Just to make Good Samaritan feel better, I’m posting the tithe doctrine of the ALJC. I don’t want him to think I’m picking on UPCI.

ALJC Articles of Faith

TITHING
We believe tithing is God’s financial plan to provide for His work, and has been since the days of Abraham. Tithing came with faith under Abraham, Moses’ law enjoined it, Israel practiced it when she was right with God, Jesus endorsed it (Matthew 23:23), and Paul said to lay by in store as God has prospered you. Do not rob God of His portion, that is tithes and offerings (Read Malachi 3).

IT looks surprisingly similar to the doctrine of the UPCI. But it’s different.

Can you see the difference?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Amen to that brother. And they are happy to do the Lord’s work.

Just to make Good Samaritan feel better, I’m posting the tithe doctrine of the ALJC. I don’t want him to think I’m picking on UPCI.

ALJC Articles of Faith

TITHING
We believe tithing is God’s financial plan to provide for His work, and has been since the days of Abraham. Tithing came with faith under Abraham, Moses’ law enjoined it, Israel practiced it when she was right with God, Jesus endorsed it (Matthew 23:23), and Paul said to lay by in store as God has prospered you. Do not rob God of His portion, that is tithes and offerings (Read Malachi 3).

IT looks surprisingly similar to the doctrine of the UPCI. But it’s different.

Can you see the difference?

One says "indorsed", the other says "endorsed", and one gives a chapter/verse reference to Malachi and the other does not, and one uses "viz." and the other uses "that is".

How many cookies do I get?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

One says "indorsed", the other says "endorsed", and one gives a chapter/verse reference to Malachi and the other does not, and one uses "viz." and the other uses "that is".

How many cookies do I get?

Man you’re good!

This reminds me of the pictures that appear to be just alike, but they have insignificant differences. They appear identical but they really aren’t. “

Can you spot the five differences in these pictures?”

Tell you’re granddaughter that I said to bake you some oatmeal pecan cookies.

I’ve tried to find the tithe doctrine of the WPF, but I haven’t been able to. If memory serves, it is the same way. It’s like take this tithe from their Articles of Faith and we’ll use it. Be sure and change something so we don’t get accused of plagiarism.

I’m pretty sure the ALJC and the WPF copied off of UPCI. But that’s okay because UPCI copied off of the AOG.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Amen to that brother. And they are happy to do the Lord’s work.

Just to make Good Samaritan feel better, I’m posting the tithe doctrine of the ALJC. I don’t want him to think I’m picking on UPCI.

ALJC Articles of Faith

TITHING
We believe tithing is God’s financial plan to provide for His work, and has been since the days of Abraham. Tithing came with faith under Abraham, Moses’ law enjoined it, Israel practiced it when she was right with God, Jesus endorsed it (Matthew 23:23), and Paul said to lay by in store as God has prospered you. Do not rob God of His portion, that is tithes and offerings (Read Malachi 3).

IT looks surprisingly similar to the doctrine of the UPCI. But it’s different.

Can you see the difference?

It doesn’t make me feel better. I am aware of the strict tithe teachings out there by organizations. Did you know that these articles are voted on, so that doesn’t necessarily mean that all are actually sold on them. Just like in our government, I didn’t vote for Biden, but he is still my president. The consensus chose to adopt these bylaws, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t people that may disagree. Unity is something that should be striven for in the body, but there are people, that become offended over things, and instead of having grace, they go on warpath to destroy that which offended them. It becomes more of a personal vendetta then an actual love for the truth.’

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by coksiw

The weirdest excuse I've seen is "tithing is also a way to prevent the saints from taking advantage of the pastor". That's a very hilariously twisted idea.

I have personally started two congregations, taught/preached a lot from pulpit and in Bible Studies, mentored, made decisions, sang, played, led, organized, trained, traveled to train others... and I have never received a dime from tithing in my entire over two decades of service! Only voluntary offering! Seriously. Never felt saints taking advantage of me. In fact, the immense majority of the work done in activities like quizzing, camps, children's ministries, conferences, visiting, meals to sick people, etc... is done by unpaid saints!

So you have received money? I was under the impression you felt the Bible only permitted to receive things like food? BTW, A person can manipulate people to give through freewill offerings without mentioning tithes, just as easy teaching tithes. Tithes at least sets limits, there are some who would try to take you for everything you are worth. TV evangelist hype up the crowd and convince people by giving an unspecified amount they are planting a seed for their miracle.

Also? Btw Our church does not even push a plate around. We quit a couple years ago. We have a church box, where collections are received and giving is not even made an issue unless there is a special need, or I feel led to to teach or preach on it (and that is rarely). I may actually need to teach on it more often, but like Paul stated in some of his epistles, I don’t ever want my motives to become questionable in our church.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

So you have received money? I was under the impression you felt the Bible only permitted to receive things like food?

LOL, I never said that. If I ever mentioned it is to show you how the application of Malachi is so ridiculously wrong.

BTW, A person can manipulate people to give through freewill offerings without mentioning tithes, just as easy teaching tithes.

100% agree

Tithes at least sets limits, there are some who would try to take you for everything you are worth.

LOL, you must be so out of touch with reality.

TV evangelist hype up the crowd and convince people by giving an unspecified amount they are planting a seed for their miracle.

OK, that's evil too. Yet, it doesn't invalidate the teaching of free will giving because it is BIBLICAL.

Also? Btw Our church does not even push a plate around. We quit a couple years ago. We have a church box, where collections are received and giving is not even made an issue unless there is a special need, or I feel led to to teach or preach on it (and that is rarely). I may actually need to teach on it more often, but like Paul stated in some of his epistles, I don’t ever want my motives to become questionable in our church.

Good.