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Originally Posted by tv1a
1. Jakes isn't your pastor.
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Yes I know Jakes isnt my pastor. So what? So I don't have a right to an opinion on his ministry? The idea here is "
scrutiny", not accountability. He's
accountable to God and his congregation. But his words can be scrutinized by anyone in the body.
Jakes has chosen to take his ministry nationwide and beyond, to the airwaves, books, etc. When your influence and your reach begin to stretch far and wide, there will be more saints who are gong to be taking a look at what you're saying to see how it measure up to the word. I think Jakes expects, understands, and accepts that. Not sure if you do though.
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Originally Posted by tv1a
2. Things have to tempererd with scripture.
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Um.. ok. Meaning what exactly? My previous response to you on the topic was based on scripture. You demanded scripture for my "claim" ,and I gave it to you. So, moving on...
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3. Saints do not have a right to undermine a preacher over subjective issues. Period.
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Jakes isn't being "
undermined" because somebody on a message board disagrees with him... no more than his ministry would be bolstered by you defending him on this message board.
Seems as if , in your way of thinking, we should say good things if we agree with a preacher... but if we think he's preaching error or compromising his doctrine (especially on what you consider subjective/non-salvational(?) issues), we should just be quiet, so as not to seem to be "undermining" him? Okey dokey. If that logic works for you, then go for it.
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Jakes' non committal language about a subject that is irrelevant to salvation is no big deal. Why waste the time developing a Oneness statement when it has no bearing on one's salvation. It's choking on a gnat.
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If the issue wasn't important then why did he issue a statement at all?
You claim that his non-committal language is "no big deal", but why even issue a statement if you're going to word it with non-commital language? You're missing the whole point there. His intentionally "non-commital language", as you put it, is
exactly the issue here. It makes him seem like he is trying to be evasive.
Whether his positions is Oneness, Trinity, or some hybrid variation in between, the man must certainly know by now what he believes on the topic. He chose to come out with a statement that was anything but clear, which is odd for a man who normally speaks with great eloquence & clarity. A reasonable person might conclude then, that he was being intentionally vague. The natural question then, is "
why"?
That is the primary reason why so many
Oneness and Trinitarian folks find his statement disturbing... because it just furthers the long-held perception that he uses carefully-crafted verbiage to cover up his true thoughts and convictions on the issue -- not something you'd expect for a preacher of his stature. Maybe to you that's "not a big deal". But to some saints it
is a big deal. And an issue doesn't necessarily have to be "salvational", by the way, for it to be important.
I think people expect
any preacher/pastor, (whether his church has 23 people or 23,000) to be willing and able to express his core convictions on any of the foundational doctrines of the bible (such as the Godhead).
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You seem to think anything not directly related to salvation is "choking on a gnat". Nobody's choking on a gnat here.
The man chose to issue a statement, so don't we have the right to analyze his statement? Jakes thought it was important enough to issue a statement about it, so we think its important enough to discuss! And if people disagree regarding the content of the statement, so be it . That's what discussion is for.
If you disagree with someone's position, so be it. If you have scripture to bolster your point, fine. But don't give people a hard time for their
opinions.
Fact is, TV1a... this is a message board where people have the right to give their thoughts on various topics in Christendom.
If you want to be a Jakes fan/defender, so be it. I am not, and I have the right to express that.
Peace.
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