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Originally Posted by mizpeh
But does our relationship change with God when we believe and repent? Definitely! What is that change? Our way of thinking changes which is seen by a change in how we act. Although I'm not sure how our standing "positionally" with God is changed, I do know it is enough of a change to warrant God filling us with his Spirit.
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Mizpeh, it is apparent you are greatly confused on these matters if you do not understand our "positional" status with God prior to baptism. We have begun to debate on other threads and you have left me hanging on several occasions. All your concerns have been answered in our past discussions. It is apparent you have either ignored my posts completely or simply choose to deny certain spiritual realities which are obviously present prior to being dunked.
You have chosen to make water baptism, which is a proof of repentance, a causal factor of sin remission when, in fact, it is not a "proof of repentance" which brings forgiveness but repentance itself. Baptism was an act which bore witness to a repentant heart. It bore witness to a repentant heart which had converted to Jesus Christ. Meaning, baptism bore witness to the repentant heart which had accepted the truth that Jesus Christ had taken care of our sin and that God had FORGIVEN us because of Christ's sacrifice. It was "of/unto repentance for the remission of sins." It declared repentance, a repentance for the remission of sins.
Scripture teaches again and again that the forgiveness of the cross is received in repentance. It does not teach that forgiveness comes in a "PROOF OF REPENTANCE" such as baptism.
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