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Old 09-05-2008, 09:21 PM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams View Post
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).

Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin


This has to be the silliest and most unscriptural analogy I've ever heard.

Humanity did not go "out to play" in her shiny new little dress. We were born in our sin and shapen in iniquity. We were born into this world separated from God because of ONE man's disobedience. It was by the OBEDIENCE of Christ (not ours) that we are made righteous.

You and I did not "jump into" a mud puddle. We were born apart from God because of Adam. Sin is not our fault, we were born with it. God's greatest law of the universe is "seed time and harvest". Everything reproduces after its own kind. We are sinners because of Adam and are born through his seed.

Christ himself purifies us as God received his sacrifice for our sins. (Zach 3) "By His stripes were are healed"...

Your analogy has bypassed Jesus Christ and the atoning work of the Cross.

We are made "clean" by the words of Christ (not baptism). "Father forgive them...for they know not what they do"... The words he speaks are spirit and life. John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word...1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Our heavenly father will only be "ashamed" of us if we are "ashamed" of His son Jesus Christ. (Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Plants an alarm in the dress? Stupid. We are made dead to sin and alive to Christ. The old man is past away and behold all things become new. We are born of a new nature...the nature of Christ. When we sin, we have an advocate with the father...Christ Jesus.

Sorry, but your doctrine is heresy.
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