Just How Complicated and Convoluted Can We Make it

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Gpod ol' Larry Flynt the publisher of the Hustler Magazine is going to right there with the President Carter's sister who led him to the cross alone and made confession, just like the scriptures state.

Good ol' Larry never had to repent. He just kept on destroying the young minds of millions and made millions doing it.

••Can you assemble some new material? I've only been seeing this for a few days and I'm sick of it already. There's absolutely ZERO substance in this and it points to nothing. If you're saying here that Flynt "Believed and confessed" and still did wicked things, what's the point? Does this invalidate confession and belief?? If so, I'll rattle off a list of names who have obeyed all YOUR rules, who have spoken in tongues for hours, and continued doing evil stuff, and invalidate your system as well.

Never had to turn away in repentance calling on the name of the Lord in baptism. Never had to come out of the world. All he had to do was just give mental ascent that Carter's sister was right in what she told him.

••Repentance is "Turning" and to call on the name of the Lord, to believe, to confess, is to turn...to repent. Does that guarantee "coming out of the world" as you're defining it? Of course not, not any more than speaking in tongues does. A LOOOOOOOOOTTTTT of people have spoken in tongues and committed sexual immorality within minutes of each other. If tongues are supposed to produce change, something is REALLY wrong!

Just ssssssss leeeeeep. Nothing like that crazy repentance stuff, coming out of the world, picking up the cross and keeping God's commandments is required. All of that is crazy talk. Never mind "SAVE YOURSELVES FROM THIS UNTOWARD GENERATION."

••So now we have to also "Pick up the cross" and "Keep God's commands" in order to experience salvation? The list keeps getting longer. I'm gonna be worn out by the time I'm finally saved! I sure wish Jesus would do something so I didn't have to do all this stuff.

Oh wait......He did!!

All of the scriptures you quoted above is TRUTH. But, according to your interpretation, we just need to tear out about half of the bible. Among the many portions that we need to take Baaruk" pin knife to is:

Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.\

••And which commandments should we include in this list? Should we include the command to greet one another with a holy kiss?

Some interesting words contained in this scripture if the words are not taken away either by falsifying them or just omitting them entirely:

1. Blessed... as opposed to miserable or tortured.

2. DO, his COMMANDMENTS....as opposed to doing nothing.

3. Have a RIGHT. Greek: exousia. That is, legal authority. Privledge, Power, Liberty, able, free.

4. TREE OF LIFE. Without which fruit there is no salvation and without which leaves there is no healing. Only death, destruction and loss forever will result.

5. ENTER. That is to have access to. Entrance to which there are eternal blessedness and felicities.

6. INTO THE CITY. That's the New Jerusalem that John saw coming down from God out of heaven.

••Sounds good. Don't forget to obey ALL His commands and get to kissing next Sunday at church.

Not complicated at all, unless one is stung by the sting of the scorpion in which death is induced. Foolish is the man who believes he an give a mental acknowledgment and verbal consent that a thing is so

••Wait, wait, wait.....You take "Belief and Confession" as found in Romans 10, to be merely "MENTAL ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND VERBAL CONSENT????" That's theologically insulting. To reduce great salvational truth to the level of a decision to buy a used car is horrible.

, go on without repentance and doing God's commandments, and then believe he will spend eternity in heaven with his corrupt image then revealed in the heavenly light. No words can express how foolish is that man.

••Foolish? That word definitely applies to a lot of what I've just read.

I think I'm gonna opt out of your Theory of Relativity look-alike plan of salvation and just go with "The Cross Alone Can Save"!

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I think I'm gonna opt out of your Theory of Relativity look-alike plan of salvation and just go with "The Cross Alone Can Save"!

You framed post no. 10 as though it was all my own writings and quote.

If you will separate what I said from what you said, I will be happy to respond to each and every statement that you made there.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

You framed post no. 10 as though it was all my own writings and quote.

If you will separate what I said from what you said, I will be happy to respond to each and every statement that you made there.

No, my writings are in red. It's simple. Use the copy & paste method. It's fairly simple.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by notofworks

No, my writings are in red. It's simple. Use the copy & paste method. It's fairly simple.

I had hoped that you would separate quotes rather than to jumble them all up together like that.

Oh well....

I will be back with an answer to each of your retort later on.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I had hoped that you would separate quotes rather than to jumble them all up together like that.

Oh well....

I will be back with an answer to each of your retort later on.

I'm sure you'll just agree with everything I said.......Brother.

[Socialite]

Wow, a hot thread. Hate arriving late on the scene

By the way, the "first works" are not my own, they are His work.

I can't make myself right with God, He's made me right with God. Our nature wants to give us a key role in this grand story, robbing the grandeur and amazingness of His Grace. It's too bad... We are able to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart (turning our hearts toward Jesus = repenting).

Belief is not lip service (though it could be just as easy as tongues-babbling). Believing is the most primal form of Christ's disciple-making. It's only possible through/by the Spirit. It's heart-level, life-changing, born-again producing, etc..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Wow, a hot thread. Hate arriving late on the scene

By the way, the "first works" are not my own, they are His work.

I can't make myself right with God, He's made me right with God. Our nature wants us to give a key role to us in this grand story, robbing the grandeur and amazingness of His Grace. It's too bad... We are able to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart (turning our hearts toward Jesus = repenting).

Belief is not lip service (though it could be just as easy as tongues-babbling). Believing is the most primal form of Christ's disciple-making. It's only possible through/by the Spirit. It's heart-level, life-changing, born-again producing, etc..

Right. LIFE! Fruit of Life.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Wow, a hot thread. Hate arriving late on the scene

So far, it's mostly grandstanding and posturing, but eventually, it'll take off.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Wow, a hot thread. Hate arriving late on the scene

By the way, the "first works" are not my own, they are His work.

I can't make myself right with God, He's made me right with God. Our nature wants to give us a key role in this grand story, robbing the grandeur and amazingness of His Grace. It's too bad... We are able to confess with our mouth and believe in our heart (turning our hearts toward Jesus = repenting).

Belief is not lip service (though it could be just as easy as tongues-babbling). Believing is the most primal form of Christ's disciple-making. It's only possible through/by the Spirit. It's heart-level, life-changing, born-again producing, etc..

The "First Works" in regard to the words of Jesus in his message to the church at Ephesus as he urged them to

REPENT... imagine that!

DO FIRST WORKS... Speaks of works in order of rank and not neccesarily in sequential order. Those first works are the Works of of keeping God commandments as spoken by Jesus by a life lived out as evidence before God. That is loving the Lord with all your heart, soul mind and strength, as the first commandment and the second which is like unto it, to love your neighbor as yourself. These are the first works in importance. These commandments are at the top of NotOfWorks non-existing list.